Left base.
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Hello Forum.
As I understand it, when ATC tell me to land to left base, that means that I must keep the field to my left when I approach and all my turns will be to the left.
Is that correct?
When, however, I set up to approach appropriately the ATC may vector me to the “wrong side”. Having been told to expect a left base pattern, I end up with the field to my right.
Am I expecting too much?
Thanks,
Bayonet.
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I’m curious too. I thought it meant that your base turn to runway heading would be left hand turn.
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Atc is fubar in 4.32
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Oh I thought it was a political statement whew!
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Atc is fubar in 4.32
I have no reason whatsoever to doubt your words since I’m not familiar with the code. Most of the time I land by the visual rules anyway, but every time I make an attempt to call the tower and follow ATC’s instructions I get MORE OR LESS accurately led to a successful final. The only annoying thing is that they tell me to fly very slow (like “Maintain 230 knots”) when there’s no air traffic around…
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Yes you’re correct Tommy Gun, ATC will get you down more or less correctly and into wind also.
I just wondered how left or right base was modelled.Thank you all,
Bayonet.
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I always put down on the LHS strip, following ATC. But if no ATC directions, follow a LH circuit.
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Vectors to a segment of the approach doesn’t mean that you’re going to fly that approach in total. So vectors to join “left base” doesn’t mean left turns, it means any and all turns in order to join that segment. It could easily be all right turns to join left base. And of course the approach and landing runway are independent so any approach can end in any runway.
Also it’s “expect” which can change if you don’t fly their directions exactly or something else upsets the order. And of course there can be oddities and errors in the ATC code as well.
I imagine the ATC is setup with a “T” structure to the approach and will vector you to one of three points in a free form manner. The three points might be labeled left base, right base, and final. There’s no overall structure to the approach environment outside of this T so I wouldn’t get too concerned with flying a full pattern.
Without exactly what ATC said and knowing exactly what airbase and exactly the path you flew… it’s hard to say.
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Falcon ATC is confused about base entry legs, always has been…just ignore the bitch…:p
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Left base is setting you up for a left hand turn onto base leg of the circuit. So yes the airfield should be to your left and all turns should be to the left. IRL left hand patterns are standard unless otherwise stated.
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To be honest the Atc is so busted that it would take pages to describe all the problems here.
Just for the thread subject , the ATC always vectors to the same Base even if it says left or right.
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Do go on Mav…. You have at least one attentive audience member~!
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If were talking about RL appraoch procedures, I dont think bms can do it. Just too much work too much work imo. But I have mentioned in another thread pertaining to AWAC call outs that would better picture development through brevity picture call outs for a better and closer to RL picter from AWACs. For ATC and ground control call backs, the same brevity call back structure would be needed. Proper marshal, stacking and approach information within a busy airspace would be needed. Also a proper ground contol call backs would be needed for all taxi instructions such as which taxi way to use for the right take off runway, to which taxi way to use to reach the refuel pad or pin pull/arm area.
A lot of work. Dont know if we will ever get that sorted but would reduce confusion and congestion during busy air operations. A feature I hope one daly makes it into bms.
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You shouldn’t need progressive taxi instructions at a fighter base. Progressive taxi is for visitors who can get lost.
It is atypical for fighter aircraft to get progressive taxi instructions.
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Well there’s always the classic 20 Mike Mike on the tower…
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You shouldn’t need progressive taxi instructions at a fighter base. Progressive taxi is for visitors who can get lost.
It is atypical for fighter aircraft to get progressive taxi instructions.
Thats not true. With ground traffic and hot pit taxi to park, as well as taxi to arming zones, there are specific taxi instructions during these operations. You do not just taxi into a hot pit area, let alone an arming area. Ussually you are directed into a holding line before you can taxi to those areas.
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But I have mentioned in another thread pertaining to AWAC call outs that would better picture development through brevity picture call outs for a better and closer to RL picter from AWACs.
Having a few other contacts called out (instead of just the “nearest bandit”) is not hard, some extra info (hot/cold) either, but describing the picture with correct labels for each group (north trail group, etc… ) and correct global situation ("Wall, “Echelon”, “Vic”, “Champagne”), etc. is trickier to do though. I agree this would definitely be nice.
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Thats not true. With ground traffic and hot pit taxi to park, as well as taxi to arming zones, there are specific taxi instructions during these operations. You do not just taxi into a hot pit area, let alone an arming area. Ussually you are directed into a holding line before you can taxi to those areas.
I stand by what I said, and annotate that hot pits are also atypical. You get an aircraft marshal through hot pit and arming areas, but not progressive taxi.
If it helps you, just pretend you are practicing commout operations. Details for that in the 13-205 iirc.
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If ATC were easy to program or to be replicated by a machine they’d long ago dumped human controllers, don’t you think?
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Bluewolf is right about progressive taxi. most of the time, the taxi in use is know by SOP’s and pre-brief. Progressive taxi is somethings more civilian because you never sure if the guys know the local procedure or not.
