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    • Catty
      Catty last edited by

      While browsing through the ATO in the campaign today, I noticed an ROK F-16C-32 flight with three ships. Huh? I was under the impression that the AI ATO always fragged fighters in flights of two or four. What gives, here?

      Thanks for any input!

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      • Cloud 9
        Cloud 9 last edited by

        Attrition/available aircraft.

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        • Catty
          Catty @Cloud 9 last edited by

          Are you sure? I thought it would just plan around that; like if there were only three aircraft, it would frag a two-ship. Of course, I could be totally off.

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          • Amraam
            Amraam @Catty last edited by

            What is the problem with 3 ship? Sometimes is the right amount to use.

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            • Catty
              Catty @Amraam last edited by

              @Amraam:

              What is the problem with 3 ship? Sometimes is the right amount to use.

              The United States just about never utilizes three-ships in real life, as it destroys the concept of mutual support. It means that you’ve got an aircraft with no wingmate, which is bad for survival in high-threat environments. If you can do it with two, you do it with two. Otherwise, you add a second element, not just another aircraft. Typically speaking, anyway.

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              • Dee-Jay
                Dee-Jay @Catty last edited by

                @Catty:

                The United States just about never utilizes three-ships in real life,

                Good to know. Thank you.

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                • schnidrman
                  schnidrman @Catty last edited by

                  @Catty:

                  The United States just about never utilizes three-ships in real life, as it destroys the concept of mutual support. It means that you’ve got an aircraft with no wingmate, which is bad for survival in high-threat environments. If you can do it with two, you do it with two. Otherwise, you add a second element, not just another aircraft. Typically speaking, anyway.

                  Makes complete sense…

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                  • Catty
                    Catty @schnidrman last edited by

                    @schnidrman:

                    Makes complete sense…

                    I smell sarcasm…

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                    • schnidrman
                      schnidrman @Catty last edited by

                      None intended. I completely agree with your statement. Sorry if I was not clear on this.

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                      • Cloud 9
                        Cloud 9 @Catty last edited by

                        @Catty:

                        The United States just about never utilizes three-ships in real life

                        Although true, your OP has nothing to do with real life. It has to do with the fact that in the virtual world, specifically BMS/Falcon, through limitations of the code and ATO/ATM management, 3 ship flights occur.

                        You’re not flying with the USAF. 😉

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                        • spooky
                          spooky last edited by

                          Does any nation do 3ship flights into combat ? …

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                          • Dee-Jay
                            Dee-Jay @spooky last edited by

                            @spooky:

                            Does any nation do 3ship flights into combat ? …

                            Yep. In France it can happen. Not talking about four ship flight going into 3 because of ground abort and no spare.

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                            • spooky
                              spooky last edited by

                              Lool … interesting, what’s the tactical advantage of a 3ship instead of a 4ship ?

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                              • Cloud 9
                                Cloud 9 @spooky last edited by

                                You won’t loose 4 ships?? LOL

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                                • schnidrman
                                  schnidrman @Cloud 9 last edited by

                                  @Cloud:

                                  You won’t loose 4 ships?? LOL

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                                  :rofl:

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                                  • Catty
                                    Catty @schnidrman last edited by

                                    @schnidrman:

                                    None intended. I completely agree with your statement. Sorry if I was not clear on this.

                                    No problem, mate! Glad I just misunderstood you.

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                                    • Frederf
                                      Frederf @spooky last edited by

                                      @spooky:

                                      Lool … interesting, what’s the tactical advantage of a 3ship instead of a 4ship ?

                                      You can frag 4 3-ship sorties instead of only 3 4-ship sorties?

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                                      • Amraam
                                        Amraam @Frederf last edited by

                                        Yep. And some tactics (air to air mostly) include a 3 ship advantage.

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                                        • Dee-Jay
                                          Dee-Jay @spooky last edited by

                                          @spooky:

                                          Lool … interesting, what’s the tactical advantage of a 3ship instead of a 4ship ?

                                          When you have 6 available airframes and two fragged missions, you will have one more a/c with few more bombs (but tanker will have to deliver more fuel which can be limitative in some cases …)

                                          When air-superiority needs 3 a/c … and you have only 3 available a/c … you can do the mission.

                                          @Cloud:

                                          You won’t loose 4 ships?? LOL
                                          C9

                                          Yep.

                                          Losing airframes is something to take in account. Sometimes, they can be lost … even on ground.

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                                          • Catty
                                            Catty @Dee-Jay last edited by

                                            Interesting. How do you deal with support, though? Who supports who in a three-ship? Does the lead just get two wingmates? Or is it a standard element, and then a single ship with no wingman? Or something else? Would the French Air Force ever operate like that in a real high threat environment like the DPRK?

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