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    • SLangner
      SLangner last edited by

      As if the upcoming major update to BMS wasn’t enough, I’d like to see an update and/or consolidation of the manuals, specifically those that mimic AF Tech Orders that describe the systems and AF Manuals that describe their use. In addition, I’d love to see mimicry of MAJCOM Regulations that standardize training and evaluations.

      Thoughts?

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      • Blu3wolf
        Blu3wolf last edited by

        Should there be a BMS set of Air Force Instructions though? Seems like different folks have different standards they use. I started writing some up a few times, and I have a template (okay, several) for the USAF AFI format now. With that said though, this was created with a specific set of users in mind rather than for the entire community - different squadrons tend to have different levels of ‘simulation’ and/or different levels to which they want to replicate prototypical behavior.

        As if that isn’t enough, there is the question of which AF regulations would you make it of? There are quite a few different air forces operating the F-16. If was to create a set of T.O.s or AFIs I would mimic the USAF ones (as I have in the past), but if (purely for example) Raptor was to do so, I would have expected him to mimic HAF regulations. Similarly if Australia operated the F-16 I would probably mimic RAAF regulations… etc.

        I have to agree completely on one part of that though - I too would love to see the BMS dash one and dash thirty four to mimic the AF format more closely. If possible a BMS 1F-16CM-6CF-1 would be much loved as well!

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        • Mower
          Mower @Blu3wolf last edited by

          shrug

          I offered repeatedly to rewrite the BMS manuals for 4.33 but was ignored…so the 4.33 manual had better be awesome. 😛

          FalconAF to FBMS Conversion Guide

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          • Red Dog
            Red Dog @Mower last edited by

            We took care of that and we’re confident the 4.33 documentation will be to the expectations of the majority of users. (read that again Bw & Mower, especially the majority of users 🙂 )
            We won’t necessarily “mimick” real docs for all BMS documentation as it is not doable in many aspects but we try as best as we can - at least indeed for the -1 & -34
            But again, actually writing them you realise very fast that the structure isn’t always easy to mimick because of the SIM/real AC compromises

            Bottom line, rest assured that we worked very hard on that much needed aspect.
            We’re close to 800+pages of quality combined manuals specific for 4.33 covering Sim specific aspects, dedicated training, aircraft cockpit & system and aircraft weapons and targetting systems

            Red Dog
            Reality if for ppl who can't handle simulation

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            • kutterro
              kutterro @Red Dog last edited by

              Oooh!! New reading material, I can’t wait to start digging through it. 😄

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              • Mower
                Mower @kutterro last edited by

                @kutterro:

                Oooh!! New reading material, I can’t wait to start digging through it. 😄

                Aye.

                FalconAF to FBMS Conversion Guide

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                • spooky
                  spooky last edited by

                  3-4 weeks is not rule anymore 🙂 🙂

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                  • b_bong12
                    b_bong12 @Red Dog last edited by

                    @Red:

                    We’re close to 800+pages of quality combined manuals

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                    • SLangner
                      SLangner @b_bong12 last edited by

                      Thanks Blu3wolf. I forgot about the multi-national use of the F-16, both in the real world and virtual world. <sheepish grin=“”>Red Dog: I like the thought of a Tech Order (user’s manual).</sheepish>

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                      • Blu3wolf
                        Blu3wolf @SLangner last edited by

                        TCTO 1VM-34-1 BMS Flight Sim avionics - covers avionics which are not specific to any one aircraft (so the sim rather than the aircraft function).
                        Would go nicely with a TO 1VF-16CM-1-1 and TO 1VF-16CM-34-1-1 I think…

                        still would love to have that TO 1VF-16C-6CF-1 though!

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                        • LuciusEsox
                          LuciusEsox @b_bong12 last edited by

                          Lol… yeah, love that vid, fits just right there…

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                          • jcook
                            jcook @LuciusEsox last edited by

                            Red Dog
                            I was wondering if any thought was given to identifying new content in the 4.33 documentation. Something to identify “updated” information that I use in technical documentation is applying a light gray background to the new info. Depending on how much new content there is that may not work for your documentation. It would be nice to be able to locate all the new information quickly.
                            John

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                            • Mower
                              Mower @jcook last edited by

                              Like a hyperlinked table of contents?

                              FalconAF to FBMS Conversion Guide

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                              • Ironman53rd
                                Ironman53rd @Mower last edited by

                                Red Dog - any chance of releasing the 4.33 docs before the up grade - give us a chance to get ahead of the curve? will the new BMS doc be available as hard copy through somewhere like LULU as Dash - 1 was?

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                                • drtbkj
                                  drtbkj @Red Dog last edited by

                                  Whenever this type of topic comes up I always like to thank the Devs for all they do, and do not want to appear to be complaining.
                                  If I may, let me give an opinion from a lower level of experience. I do enjoy the immersion of USAF format documents. However, as Blue says, which AF do we “simulate”?
                                  I do enjoy the immersion but what I believe would be best for our Community, especially new people, is a one source, indexed source.
                                  Then we can get Dan Hampton to write it ( 😉

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                                  • spooky
                                    spooky last edited by

                                    In regards to take format of real life documents … i think that whoever wants to write a doc … it should be readable and abodable for the majority.

                                    A lot of aviation books give you a headache, they are not well written or user friendly … sometimes real life like is not optimum.

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                                    • Mower
                                      Mower @Ironman53rd last edited by

                                      @Ironman53rd:

                                      Red Dog - any chance of releasing the 4.33 docs before the up grade - give us a chance to get ahead of the curve? will the new BMS doc be available as hard copy through somewhere like LULU as Dash - 1 was?

                                      LOL nice try…

                                      FalconAF to FBMS Conversion Guide

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                                      • badalex
                                        badalex @Ironman53rd last edited by

                                        @Ironman53rd:

                                        Red Dog - any chance of releasing the 4.33 docs before the up grade - give us a chance to get ahead of the curve? will the new BMS doc be available as hard copy through somewhere like LULU as Dash - 1 was?

                                        A preview would be nice [emoji6]

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                                        • PAVEWAY
                                          PAVEWAY @Red Dog last edited by

                                          @Red:

                                          We took care of that and we’re confident the 4.33 documentation will be to the expectations of the majority of users. (read that again Bw & Mower, especially the majority of users 🙂 )
                                          We won’t necessarily “mimick” real docs for all BMS documentation as it is not doable in many aspects but we try as best as we can - at least indeed for the -1 & -34
                                          But again, actually writing them you realise very fast that the structure isn’t always easy to mimick because of the SIM/real AC compromises

                                          Bottom line, rest assured that we worked very hard on that much needed aspect.
                                          We’re close to 800+pages of quality combined manuals specific for 4.33 covering Sim specific aspects, dedicated training, aircraft cockpit & system and aircraft weapons and targetting systems

                                          :blowpar:Good to hear some news about 4.33. I will now go into a coma wake me up when 4.33 comes out.

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                                          • Sabre
                                            Sabre @PAVEWAY last edited by

                                            @PAVEWAY:

                                            :blowpar:Good to hear some news about 4.33. I will now go into a coma wake me up when 4.33 comes out.

                                            Guys, what is BMS v4.33? I can’t find any mentioning in the announcements. Links to the initial discussion would be appreciated.

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