Pulling my hair out.. Ridiculous confusion on keyboard commands.
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i’ve only done the A-A radar modes TE where there are i think 4 bandits and one or two of them are su-27s and they get on my six every time, but i manage to shoot down a Mig-19 and a 21 ( i think) and the su-27 just seemed to be stuck to my six like glue.
Kill the Su-27 with long range weapons, the MiG-21 with AA, and gun down the MiG-19. Part of the learning objective is to use your radar to identify threats (NCTR), prioritise them, and kill them in an order ranging greatest to least, in that order.
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Kill the Su-27 with long range weapons, the MiG-21 with AA, and gun down the MiG-19. Part of the learning objective is to use your radar to identify threats (NCTR), prioritise them, and kill them in an order ranging greatest to least, in that order.
Yea but if they had proper A-A loadout, those su-27s have or can be armed with the deadliest air to air threat, the AA-12 adder. Has longer range than the AIM-120 and your RWR doesnt pick it up till it goes active. Think its the only enemy air to air weapon in BMS that has its own active radar guidance. So with that in mind lets say you are head on with a confirmed su-27 he’s closing fast about 25nm away….what would you do?
Oh and, didnt think the F-16 had NCTR capability. Does this work or sometimes work when you hard lock a contact? is that the only way besides visual and awacs that you can classify a bandit? theres’ the RWR but you can never be sure that whats on it is what you have on your FCR especially if theres’ multiple threats on there and they’re different like on is a 21, one a 19, one a 29.
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So with that in mind lets say you are head on with a confirmed su-27 he’s closing fast about 25nm away….what would you do?
Run away as fast as possible, maybe launch a max range slammer at him to give him something to think about while doing so.
Oh and, didnt think the F-16 had NCTR capability. Does this work or sometimes work when you hard lock a contact? is that the only way besides visual and awacs that you can classify a bandit? theres’ the RWR but you can never be sure that whats on it is what you have on your FCR especially if theres’ multiple threats on there and they’re different like on is a 21, one a 19, one a 29.
NCTR is implimented in BMS. You need to hardlock to get a return, and as in real thing, it’s aspect dependent, so can’t be 100 percent relied on. If I had a 19, 21, and 29 on the RWR I will always give priority to the 29 as this can be any number of highly dangerous threats.
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If the Su is 25 nm out my aim-120 is already on it’s way since 2 nm and i’m notching.
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If the Su is 25 nm out my aim-120 is already on it’s way since 2 nm and i’m notching.
Yep,
And if you dont see the adder on your RWR, that doesnt mean there isnt one inbound. Inside 30nm, I get defensive quickly. I might “Loose” a slammer just to get him defensive but like Malc said, often you want to gain seperation (distance) between you and the bandit. -
Also a good indication: if the goes in the hardlock around 25-27nm you can be sure Mr. Adder is on its way to meet you. Last chance to shoot and turn and burn.
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Run away as fast as possible, maybe launch a max range slammer at him to give him something to think about while doing so.
NCTR is implimented in BMS. You need to hardlock to get a return, and as in real thing, it’s aspect dependent, so can’t be 100 percent relied on. If I had a 19, 21, and 29 on the RWR I will always give priority to the 29 as this can be any number of highly dangerous threats.
I read on here somewhere i think that the AIM-120 needs radar guidance till it activates its own radar seeker (pitbull) but i read elsewhere that its guided by datalink with mid course updates and INS till pitbull- which is right? coz if the former is right then you couldnt just launch an AIM-120 from 25nm and then turn and burn- coz the amraam will lose your radar lock as you run away.
Also when i mentioned about the different contacts that could pop up on your RWR, what i was stating was how you cant rely on it to be able to classify which one is the 29…unless hard locking brings NCTR results.
Without awacs it seems like a whole new ball game.
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I read on here somewhere i think that the AIM-120 needs radar guidance till it activates its own radar seeker (pitbull) but i read elsewhere that its guided by datalink with mid course updates and INS till pitbull- which is right? coz if the former is right then you couldnt just launch an AIM-120 from 25nm and then turn and burn- coz the amraam will lose your radar lock as you run away.
Its kinda both, actually.
On the first part of its flight, the 120 will receive mid-course updates via datalink. These midcourse updates are elaborated by the launching aircraft radar, and transmitted by the radar antenna.
If the missile does not get any update, it continues inertially assuming the target does not maneuver and activate its seeker when it estimates to be in pitbull range. As a result, the launching aircraft can turn away right after launch, but it clearly decreases the success probability.
The Phoenix functioned differently : in the first part of the flight, the antenna worked in semi-active (so it needed an illumination from the launching AC). If the F-14 turned away right after launch, the missile was completely trashed.
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It doesn’t need it but it helps. The AIM-120 can operate under many different levels (at least 5 by my count) of support from the launching platform from none to all the way to impact with improvements to Pk along that continuum. Radar guidance is wrong and command-guided is right if one wants to be technical. In the mid course phase the launching platform is sending data updates about the intercept point. However the only way to send meaningful data to the missile is for the host platform to continue to track the target (radar). So in effect the target must be tracked with radar to support mid-course guidance but the missile isn’t seeing bounced radar energy like an AIM-7 Sparrow
I played Falcon 3.0 way back in the old days… I was so good at it that other players accused me of cheating… I was “MurphyIRA”… At this point, figuring out what buttons do what and getting my X36 stick and throttle set up correctly is a much larger issue than actually flying the plane.
Anyone got a keystrokes file for the Saitek X36F / X35T ???OK you are the best pilot that ever flew. Still, do the simple things like takeoff and landing and guns in a building block order, not to learn the skills you already know but to introduce yourself to the terms and control settings and things you don’t know. Use the student pilot track as a gradual checklist.
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Its kinda both, actually.
On the first part of its flight, the 120 will receive mid-course updates via datalink. These midcourse updates are elaborated by the launching aircraft radar, and transmitted by the radar antenna.
If the missile does not get any update, it continues inertially assuming the target does not maneuver and activate its seeker when it estimates to be in pitbull range. As a result, the launching aircraft can turn away right after launch, but it clearly decreases the success probability.
The Phoenix functioned differently : in the first part of the flight, the antenna worked in semi-active (so it needed an illumination from the launching AC). If the F-14 turned away right after launch, the missile was completely trashed.
So the AIM-120 doesnt receive mid course updates if the target isnt illuminated by the F-16s FCR, that means its only guidance from launch until pitbull is INS- which will presume the target keeps his same course,speed and altitude- I’d say theres little chance of a kill in that case. The Mig will certainly change course either to go defensive or to alter course to intercept you when you turn and burn. It will probably get an adder off then turn and burn itself- I’d say these head on engagements with mig-29Fs’…su-27s…su-30s will end with neither getting hit. Btw, are those three the only types of enemy aircraft that can take adders? think mig 23s can too.
Correction: only su-27s and 30s have adders…but from what i’ve gathered anything as potent from a mig 29 upwards only shows up on the RWR as a 29. So the RWR wont tell you if its a 29 or Su-27 or 30. I think in general when doing a strike mission whatever that may be (SEAD, OCA, Deep Strike) should always avoid bandits if possible especially those dreaded 29s on the RWR, and if i was doing a Tar/BarCAP or DCA and theres’ no awacs then take a TGP to visually ID a bandit from range…but what is the max zoom range of the TGP?
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AI is pretty stupid here, normally they go defensive not before the Amraam goes Pitbull and this is mostly to late …
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AI is pretty stupid here, normally they go defensive not before the Amraam goes Pitbull and this is mostly to late …
But cant you set the ability of the AI? maybe you have them set on the lowest, which i’d imagine is green or recruit, where elite would be the most difficult.
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So the AIM-120 doesnt receive mid course updates if the target isnt illuminated by the F-16s FCR, that means its only guidance from launch until pitbull is INS- which will presume the target keeps his same course,speed and altitude- I’d say theres little chance of a kill in that case. The Mig will certainly change course either to go defensive or to alter course to intercept you when you turn and burn. It will probably get an adder off then turn and burn itself- I’d say these head on engagements with mig-29Fs’…su-27s…su-30s will end with neither getting hit. Btw, are those three the only types of enemy aircraft that can take adders? think mig 23s can too.
Correction: only su-27s and 30s have adders…but from what i’ve gathered anything as potent from a mig 29 upwards only shows up on the RWR as a 29. So the RWR wont tell you if its a 29 or Su-27 or 30. I think in general when doing a strike mission whatever that may be (SEAD, OCA, Deep Strike) should always avoid bandits if possible especially those dreaded 29s on the RWR, and if i was doing a Tar/BarCAP or DCA and theres’ no awacs then take a TGP to visually ID a bandit from range…but what is the max zoom range of the TGP?
You pretty much figured things out here
Rough figure for target ID with TGP is 20 NM. You have to be in TV and max zoom, obviously.
FYI, the Mig-29S also gets Adders. Not the 29A though.
The thing with the Adder in 4.32, its pretty much an Amraam. But IRL, the lattice controls drag significantly more in transonic and supersonic, which makes its range less good than an Amraam, especially at medium or low altitude.
MICA is kind of the same, a slammer like in 4.32. But IRL it is smaller than an Amraam, thus weights less, thus has less intertia and more deceleration, although the aerodynamics are better than the Adder.
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You pretty much figured things out here
Rough figure for target ID with TGP is 20 NM. You have to be in TV and max zoom, obviously.
FYI, the Mig-29S also gets Adders. Not the 29A though.
The thing with the Adder in 4.32, its pretty much an Amraam. But IRL, the lattice controls drag significantly more in transonic and supersonic, which makes its range less good than an Amraam, especially at medium or low altitude.
MICA is kind of the same, a slammer like in 4.32. But IRL it is smaller than an Amraam, thus weights less, thus has less intertia and more deceleration, although the aerodynamics are better than the Adder.
I take it you use the range knob to adjust zoom for the TGP? what else do you use the range knob for? i have it binded to a rotary and havent used it yet as i havent done any A-G strikes (yet).
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@cns - I believe they are referring to using the TGP to identify air targets. But you are correct, it is good for ground targets as well.
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I take it you use the range knob to adjust zoom for the TGP? what else do you use the range knob for? i have it binded to a rotary and havent used it yet as i havent done any A-G strikes (yet).
TGP zoom when TGP is SOI. Both AA and AG
FCR AG : radar gain. You have 2 controls for the gain.
What it is NOT used for : radar range.
The name comes from an early use of this rotary, to adjust the target distance on a gunsight which is today deprecated.
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So the AIM-120 doesnt receive mid course updates if the target isnt illuminated by the F-16s FCR, that means its only guidance from launch until pitbull is INS
It’s moot if it receives updates or not because if the F-16’s knowledge of the target motion is lost (coast track) then the coasting track assumes no acceleration which doesn’t change the intercept point. So if the F-16 did send an update to the missile it would be “remember that intercept point that I told you 5 seconds ago? Yeah, still go there.” It would be an update with no change in information which is the same as not sending the message at all.
What I don’t know is if the F-16 is smart enough not to coast track a target down to -3000’ but instead clamp the altitude to 0’ minimum. Then the F-16 is making smart guesses about the target’s motion after it doesn’t have actual information about it via radar. This smart guess might alter the missile information in a meaningful way. Or maybe the missile itself knows not to plan for an interception point below the ground.
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But cant you set the ability of the AI? maybe you have them set on the lowest, which i’d imagine is green or recruit, where elite would be the most difficult.
There’s only one setting for me and thats called ACE
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+1
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There’s only one setting for me and thats called ACE
Aff…only way to go for the hardcore, brother.