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    Are there any planes in this sim up to the level of the F-16?

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    • Chaos_Duck7
      Chaos_Duck7 last edited by

      I havnt played in some time so i cant remember. Im talking FM, avionics, weapons and such.

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      • Coco
        Coco last edited by

        The Mirage?

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        • Blu3wolf
          Blu3wolf @Coco last edited by

          If you count avionics, then nothing is up to the F-16s level.

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          • Chaos_Duck7
            Chaos_Duck7 @Coco last edited by

            @Coco:

            The Mirage?

            Are both the F1 and 2000 at the same level?

            And its true then they dont have accurate avionics? What about hud symbology?

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            • jhook
              jhook @Chaos_Duck7 last edited by

              @Chaos_Duck7:

              Are both the F1 and 2000 at the same level?

              And its true then they dont have accurate avionics? What about hud symbology?

              Uhmmm,
              That would be avionics.

              😛

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              • Cloud 9
                Cloud 9 @Chaos_Duck7 last edited by

                @Chaos_Duck7:

                Are both the F1 and 2000 at the same level?

                And its true then they dont have accurate avionics? What about hud symbology?

                Maybe you should try them out and see what you see??

                No aircraft has the same level of avionics and AFM/FM’s that the F-16 has.

                Just a fact.

                C9

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                • Dee-Jay
                  Dee-Jay @Cloud 9 last edited by

                  @Cloud:

                  No aircraft has the same level of avionics and AFM/FM’s that the F-16 has.

                  Confirmed.

                  Falcon4 is an F-16 simulation, from day 1, and it is still true today.

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                  • Osmeen
                    Osmeen @Dee-Jay last edited by

                    The only plane I want to fly is the F-16, but there are two things I don’t like about F4 BMS so far.
                    (1)The ability of MIG-23 to avoid a good aim-120 shot is almost 100%. Even if the missile is within one half the dynamic zone, the MIG flips and flies away like a Foxbat would. Neither the SU30 nor the MIG-29 have that ability to avoid an amraam in the sim.
                    (2)The SU-25 flogger rarely dies from a first aim-120, and the way it maneuvers to avoid gun is out of this world.
                    I think the MGI-23’s ability to escape an aim-120 is exaggerated.

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                    • Blu3wolf
                      Blu3wolf last edited by

                      And this is based on comparing F4’s missile mechanics to classified sims? Or just an opinion?

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                      • Malc
                        Malc @Osmeen last edited by

                        @Osmeen:

                        The only plane I want to fly is the F-16, but there are two things I don’t like about F4 BMS so far.
                        (1)The ability of MIG-23 to avoid a good aim-120 shot is almost 100%. Even if the missile is within one half the dynamic zone, the MIG flips and flies away like a Foxbat would. Neither the SU30 nor the MIG-29 have that ability to avoid an amraam in the sim.

                        So what are you saying? The MiG-23 is overmodeled? Or is the Su-30 and MiG-29 undermodeled? You will of course provide full substantiated evidence to whichever you feel to be the case…?

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                        • Raptor
                          Raptor @Osmeen last edited by

                          At least for this:

                          @Osmeen:

                          The SU-25 flogger rarely dies from a first aim-120

                          I can think that like reality this bird is so heavily iron-plated that it will take quite some explosives to put it down… So IMO (not based in bibliography or rl feedback etc of course) that kind of modelling in bms could be affordable.

                          Try to hit it with an AIM-54 and see what happens… 🙂

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                          • Lukas
                            Lukas @Raptor last edited by

                            MiG23 has better acceleration and speed aerodynamics compared to F-16, 18…like in the real world…its ok. Foxbat and Foxhound are rather underpowered here (but u can cruise MACH 2,3 even in BMS).

                            There were cases, 23s dragged magic missiles, fired under the good conditions during Angola war. Its good fighter with bad PR due to propaganda (most RL Flogger kills are fighter bomber version kills, twisted for noneducated public).
                            On the other hand its an old construction with conventional RCS, many flight envelope limits during sweep angle change, quite weak radar (definitely for today standards), not so many HPs, not so developed ergonomy, complex gear etc etc…so only Angola upgrading them IIRC…

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                            • Moxy
                              Moxy @Malc last edited by

                              The only plane I want to fly is the F-16, but there are two things I don’t like about F4 BMS so far.
                              (1)The ability of MIG-23 to avoid a good aim-120 shot is almost 100%. Even if the missile is within one half the dynamic zone, the MIG flips and flies away like a Foxbat would. Neither the SU30 nor the MIG-29 have that ability to avoid an amraam in the sim.
                              (2)The SU-25 flogger rarely dies from a first aim-120, and the way it maneuvers to avoid gun is out of this world.
                              I think the MGI-23’s ability to escape an aim-120 is exaggerated.

                              You’re absolutely right about the MiG-23! Does anybody know if the actual jet performs simillar?

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                              • Migbuster
                                Migbuster @Moxy last edited by

                                Two of the points are down to operator error IME.

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                                • Acetonewarthog
                                  Acetonewarthog @Migbuster last edited by

                                  Floggers are real hot rods in terms of acceleration. They are very sleek with their wings swept back, and have a lot of thrust. High thrust + low drag = hauling the mail, quickly like.

                                  But this is true for most swing wing aircraft, like the F-14 and F-111. Make a TE fighting both of those jets and see if they can outrun amraams in the NEZ. For that matter, try it against F-22s and eurofighters. If they cant outrun a slammer but the MiG can, you MAY have a point. But anyway, I just chimed in to say that the flogger is known as a very quick jet.

                                  Oh, and while I agree they can move pretty good, if you cant gun up a su-25, you just need more stick time. Really they are only tricky if you let them make you overshoot. High yo-yo is your friend.

                                  I have no comment on the destructive power of an AIM-120 and or the toughness of the SU-25.

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                                  • Agave_Blue
                                    Agave_Blue @Osmeen last edited by

                                    @Osmeen:

                                    …. The SU-25 … the way it maneuvers to avoid gun is out of this world. …

                                    So true. This is a great AC to practice ‘Tail-Chase/Gunsight Tracking’ on. Holds around 300-ish KIAS and is a real challenge to get a tracking solution on.

                                    I highly recommend it. 😉

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                                    • Stevie
                                      Stevie @Dee-Jay last edited by

                                      My standard for gun practice is the Mig-21…if you can gun a Mig-21 out of the sky in a single nose to nose pass, you can use a gun.

                                      Stevie

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                                      • pandacat
                                        pandacat @Stevie last edited by

                                        I can manuver kill mig 23 for breakfast. Even with bomb loads on. 😄

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                                        • Osmeen
                                          Osmeen @Stevie last edited by

                                          @Stevie:

                                          My standard for gun practice is the Mig-21…if you can gun a Mig-21 out of the sky in a single nose to nose pass, you can use a gun.

                                          try it with MIG-19 they are much more difficult that MIG-21 in BMS. You get two of them in AA radar in TE. Just shoot down every other plane and keep those two for gun practice. The MIG-23 is easily gunned but practically impossible to down with an AIM-120 even at close encounter and nose up which usually gets the MIG-29s.

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                                          • Osmeen
                                            Osmeen @pandacat last edited by

                                            @pandacat:

                                            I can manuver kill mig 23 for breakfast. Even with bomb loads on. 😄

                                            try to down it with aim-120, they zoom away like the space shuttle

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