Feedback BMS-Training.pdf
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Ok, so you’re not confused. Then I fail to see why you think others would be.
Because I’m reading the manuals since 1998, and I know how to read across them.
A newbie might be confused if he reads the 1rst sweep, following step by step,
rotating the knobs to set backup radio frequency, to get the result as shown
in the pictures of the manual, but will fail to see any numbers as long as there is no power.Oliver has already pointed out it is not an error, it’s by design.
So for me personally it’s fine.It seems that what you call “eye candy” …
Once again, eye candy are the words, directly from the trainings manual.;)
(see post#6)… is good practices to make sure things are working, and I don’t think that will confuse anyone, or turn anyone away from the sim. On the contrary, doing the ramp start for the first time is exhilarating for most people, and knowing all one can do when ramp starting is awesome. The “eye candy” is a BONUS which will make newbies HAPPY. Take it away, and ramp start looks more like a boring routine than like an adventure to find out how the jet works!
I was already told it’s better for newbies to learn everything, so marking those sections
like I suggested is not an option.If it’s really 100% fact that the “not mandory eye candy test stuff” will make every newbie happy,
regardless of his “greenness”, his personally learning curve and available time, etc.,
then I’m also happy, because the community will grow even more.Once again, for me personally the manuals are fine, and better than ever.
Cheers,
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Oh, the manuals are utterly amazing. They’re the best manuals I have seen to any flight simulator anywhere, even counting the commercial ones I have seen.
But y’know, the eye candy gives an immediate reward. Exactly what you were arguing the newbie should get. When I push the lamp test button stuff happens in the cockpit. I’m no longer just following a list of “do this, do that, and the jet will start at the end”, but I’m lighting up buttons, learning how things hang together, and actually using stuff.
And yes, this is an argument against turning stuff on before there is power as well, because that makes it feel more like it’s a chore and not a process of discovery and learning. But the eye candy is very much a part of the discovery.
Jesper
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I’m reluctant to appear critical of Red Dog’s hard and excellent work but maybe “eye candy” is not the best phrase to use. I’ve only heard that phrase used in reference to visual effects in games (e.g. “if you have a powerful GPU you can turn up the eye candy”) so perhaps saying something like “This step just confirms the lamps are working and is not mandatory” would have less potential for any misunderstanding?
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that’s right
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I like button candy but I guess it should really be finger candy
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nice
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Smallish error on page 137, second to last paragraph: Attack azimuth for a JDAM is controlled with OSB7, not OSB8.
Edit RD: corrected in next version
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Suggestion - Training Guide - Mission 2: Basic Navigation - Page 34
Text seems to suggest pre 4.33 mode selection behavior (auto-selected)
“Select the TOS page.
Depending on the TOS page being mode selected or not the HUD will display ETA or ETE to the selected steerpoint.
Note that when TOS is mode selected it is highlighted in green.
When not mode selected only the asterisks of the scratchpad are highlighted.
In this case it is highlighted and the HUD displays ETA.”Suggest something explaining the select step in 4.33
“Switch to the TOS page. The scratchpad highlights the asterisks of the current page. Select this mode with ICP 0 MSEL and notice how the mode is now highlighted in green. The HUD now displays ETA to the selected steerpoint (not ETE) and an airspeed caret appears on the HUD speed scale.”
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don’t get it.
The text is correct. The only difference is that “by default” in 4.33 TOS is not mode selected
but the behaviour of one or the other one is unchanged.
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well, I played the training mission and reading
“When not mode selected only the asterisks of the scratchpad are highlighted.
In this case it is highlighted and the HUD displays ETA.”"simply doesn’t match what’s happening during the flight, thus is confusing.
In the mission as flown TOS ends up not being selected - if the training mentions how to select it (ICP 0) you’d avoid questions in the forum re caret showing.
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In the training manual on the Mission 2: Basic Navigation, p32, at the bottom where it says “the CDI is still set to 248°…”. I think it should be “the Course Arrow is still set to 248°…” The CDI has moved to the 2nd dot, parallel to the Course Arrow .
Edit RD: corrected in next version
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Yep, will correct, thanks
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in <bms-training.pdf>, p.99
Knowing from which side the bomb will be released is therefore very useful and can be easily checked in the TGP page by looking at the highlighted station number.
The station selected for dropping can be changed with the MSL STEP button on your sidestick.i tested it, it dos’t work, it cycle bomb mode from CCRP CCIP DTOS.
Edit RD: corrected in next version</bms-training.pdf>
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indeed
I screw that one up. Use OSB button insteadThanks for the feedback
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what? i dont think so.
i tried OSB on both side, no one works.
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I think you’re right. I must be seriously confused with AG missiles.
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Training.pdf p43, 3.3. Taxi on Taxiway Foxtrot should be Taxiway Papa.
Edit RD: corrected in next version
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@Red:
I think you’re right. I must be seriously confused with AG missiles.
You can only step stations with AG missiles, yes. The MMC drops from alternate sides for bombs automatically. You can adjust its drop pattern by reprogramming the loadout to omit a station if need be - though not in BMS, with the automagic loadout selector in the SMS.
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@Red:
I think you’re right. I must be seriously confused with AG missiles.
I confirm, dumb bombs and LGB cannot be “stepped”. A workaround for Hung ordnance (that would prevent single release and forbid to jump to the next station) is to drop in pair.
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Apologies if this has been posted already.
Page 127 refers to Force Correlation mode of the AGM-65G. It says ‘You don’t need to designate track with TMS up but aim for the lowest possible spot on the span.’
This is not correct. Without a TMS up to designate the missile will not track and will simply lawndart.
Edit RD: need investigation