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    • Sherlock
      Sherlock last edited by

      What’s the (final) word on this guys? I know the tile format changed somehow. Let’s talk specifics…

      Were there any other changes to 4.33 exe that will drive changes to existing (and future) add-on theaters?

      Thanks for your (knowledgeable) input! 🙂

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      • molnibalage
        molnibalage last edited by

        Dee-jay said in another thread expect anything beyond CTD free is very unlikely. They have to be rebuilt.

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        • Dee-Jay
          Dee-Jay last edited by

          Simple … any theaters made for 4.32 must be converted to a 4.33 standard.

          To make it works, 3rd party theater Dev as to re-start their DB using stock KTO one as basis to ensure a proper code/data interaction.
          mission.dat should (must) also be updated, Strings.xxx also, and UI reworked to have the new features.
          Other than this, few other “minor” (more or less) changes, and they are go.

          Maybe more … I do not have the full picture.

          For the moment, the only one compatible 4.33 I know is https://www.benchmarksims.org/forum/showthread.php?23469-Balkans-Theater-of-Operation-for-BMS-4-33 … and soon, ITO will be available.

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          • Chuckles
            Chuckles @Dee-Jay last edited by

            Sherlock, 4.33’s .TDF file format has changed from 4.32. The changes are very minor, but new theatres should adhere to the format. The BMS manual has some examples and provides additional information. As per specifics, the DB changes in 4.33 will cause issues with aircraft selections when using cam files build with 4.32. My Eurowar campaign, which uses stock 4.32 DB entries, is unplayable in BMS 4.33 due to CTD. Carrier War is works fine with land based aircraft, but since carrier operations have changed, carrier based aircraft don’t work. Needless to say, I am completely rebuilding Korea 2012 using brand new BMS 4.33 Save.cam files. At little time consuming, but not too difficult since Mission Commander’s improvement make it a much easier tool to use as compared to Tacedit.

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            • Sting
              Sting @Chuckles last edited by

              Great to hear you are updating your campaigns Chuckles, you did a great job and I enjoyed flying them.

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              • Chuckles
                Chuckles @Sting last edited by

                @Sting:

                Great to hear you are updating your campaigns Chuckles, you did a great job and I enjoyed flying them.

                Thanks for the complement. Just wanted to mention that with the new/updated aircraft, Eurowar in particular will be much more fun to fly. Unlike 4.32 Korea 2012, which was based on the original Microprose campaigns, Korea 2012 4.33 will based on the new 4.33 campaigns. 4.33’s campaigns are a huge improvement over what I used originally. Carrier War and Redux are back and even better. All carriers will include a squadron of EA-18G jets. Finally, I made extra use of aircraft with updated/improved cockpits. The Grippen in now in Eurowar, while the AV-8 gets much more exposure.

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                • Jackal
                  Jackal @Chuckles last edited by

                  @Chuckles:

                  Thanks for the complement. Just wanted to mention that with the new/updated aircraft, Eurowar in particular will be much more fun to fly. Unlike 4.32 Korea 2012, which was based on the original Microprose campaigns, Korea 2012 4.33 will based on the new 4.33 campaigns. 4.33’s campaigns are a huge improvement over what I used originally. Carrier War and Redux are back and even better. All carriers will include a squadron of EA-18G jets. Finally, I made extra use of aircraft with updated/improved cockpits. The Grippen in now in Eurowar, while the AV-8 gets much more exposure.

                  Eerrr… nothing new about the Tornado and Typhoon, may I ask?
                  You know I can’t fly (live) without the first one :lol:

                  Best regards,

                  "I told it Orville and Wilbur too: that thing will never fly"

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                  • Chuckles
                    Chuckles @Jackal last edited by

                    @Jackal:

                    Eerrr… nothing new about the Tornado and Typhoon, may I ask?
                    You know I can’t fly (live) without the first one :lol:

                    Best regards,

                    The EF2000 Typhoon will still be found in Eurowar as it was before. Though I reduced the squadrons from two to one in order to able to include the Grippen. The Tornado gets two versions, German and Italian, in all Eurowar Campaigns. Also, Eurowar will get fewer USAF fighters and thus, more European Air Force fighters. One more change I forgot to mention, The Greek, HAF F-15C Block 52 CFT now appears in all three Eurowar campaigns. I have a little more tweaking to to do, but I assure you that Eurowar will give a much better mix of aircraft than the 4.32 version.

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                    • Dee-Jay
                      Dee-Jay @Chuckles last edited by

                      … Forgot to say: when I say DB I am also talking about the SIM folder of course.

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                      • Chuckles
                        Chuckles @Dee-Jay last edited by

                        Dee-Jay, in the new *.TDF file, I see a new entry:

                        simdata dir

                        simdatadir Sim

                        Does this entry allow the use of a custom simdata folder in an addon theatre while maintaining the BMS 4.33 simdata untouched?

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                        • molnibalage
                          molnibalage @Chuckles last edited by

                          @Chuckles:

                          Dee-Jay, in the new *.TDF file, I see a new entry:

                          simdata dir

                          simdatadir Sim

                          Does this entry allow the use of a custom simdata folder in an addon theatre while maintaining the BMS 4.33 simdata untouched?

                          Yes. You can make completely speatated theater from original.

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                          • Shadow
                            Shadow @Chuckles last edited by

                            @Chuckles:

                            Dee-Jay, in the new *.TDF file, I see a new entry:

                            simdata dir

                            simdatadir Sim

                            Does this entry allow the use of a custom simdata folder in an addon theatre while maintaining the BMS 4.33 simdata untouched?

                            Nice one

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                            • Arty
                              Arty @Shadow last edited by

                              and how exactly does this theater sim folder works?
                              You have to put inside all the sim files and alter the ones you want or just the altered ones?

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                              • Lukas
                                Lukas @Arty last edited by

                                of course…at least it was the first thing I did after 4.33 download (copied whole directory structure and edited few of them)
                                @Chuckles
                                Are you integrating JAS-39 into new 4.33 version of your Korea?
                                Are u really talking about grippen (not Viggen)?

                                BTW Mirage F1 is OK now I think…good one for Desert Storm

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                                • molnibalage
                                  molnibalage @Arty last edited by

                                  @Arty:

                                  and how exactly does this theater sim folder works?
                                  You have to put inside all the sim files and alter the ones you want or just the altered ones?

                                  My bet is on “all”. When you do this with DB you also use the whole DB not just a part of it.

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                                  • Chuckles
                                    Chuckles @Lukas last edited by

                                    @Lukas:

                                    of course…at least it was the first thing I did after 4.33 download (copied whole directory structure and edited few of them)
                                    @Chuckles
                                    Are you integrating JAS-39 into new 4.33 version of your Korea?
                                    Are u really talking about grippen (not Viggen)?

                                    BTW Mirage F1 is OK now I think…good one for Desert Storm

                                    Sorry about the typo, I meant Viggen.

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                                    • Dee-Jay
                                      Dee-Jay @Arty last edited by

                                      @Arty:

                                      and how exactly does this theater sim folder works?
                                      You have to put inside all the sim files and alter the ones you want or just the altered ones?

                                      I do not really know. Just try.

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                                      • molnibalage
                                        molnibalage @Dee-Jay last edited by

                                        @Dee-Jay:

                                        I do not really know. Just try.

                                        Because of size of \sim I have to say who cares? Simply use the whole and replace what you have to replace. 🙂
                                        So even most of dat files are same as original the result is the same.

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                                        • Dee-Jay
                                          Dee-Jay @molnibalage last edited by

                                          Be careful guys … do not use old 432.dat files (maybe possible critical changes here!) Not necessarily CTDs (?), but possible misbehaviors.
                                          Start on a 433 stock basis (as for anything else as recommended).

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                                          • molnibalage
                                            molnibalage @Dee-Jay last edited by

                                            @Dee-Jay:

                                            Be careful guys … do not use old 432.dat files (maybe possible critical changes here!) Not necessarily CTDs (?), but possible misbehaviors.
                                            Start on a 433 stock basis (as for anything else as recommended).

                                            This is why I decided not even test my MOD with 4.33. It seems to me pointless. It seems to me easier rebuild the whole mod from 0. It is not hard or complicated it is just boring… 🙂
                                            If you have documented changes (I made some doc. myself) this is just “click, clik, type and test”. Nothing else. Only propblem it requires lots of time.

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