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    • chriswarren
      chriswarren last edited by

      I’m using a BMS 4.32 keyfile (I know…)

      Can someone try and explain in King’s English how (and whether) I can go about using the following commands:

      • cockpit spotlight (Edit: have now found this in my old keyfile)
      • fold wings
      • thrust reverser

      Is there a clickable cockpit switch for these actions? Or is it impossible to have these functions unless you use a BMS 4.33 keyfile or parts thereof?

      (I hope it doesn’t mean trying to use the Key File Editor. I’ve tried reading the BMS Key File editor documentation, but to be honest, if the author thought they were explaining things in a way that would help a newbie understand what to actually do with the tool, then I would discourage them from ever starting a career as a teacher! All respect however for the amount of work that must have gone into this.)

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      • Tiffy
        Tiffy last edited by

        Wing Fold

        AFWingFoldToggle -1 0 0x11 1 0 0 1 “CKPIT: Wing Fold - Toggle”
        AFWingFoldUp -1 0 0XFFFFFFFF 0 0 0 1 “CKPIT: Wing Fold - Up”
        AFWingFoldDown -1 0 0XFFFFFFFF 0 0 0 1 “CKPIT: Wing Fold - Down”

        Thrust Reverse

        AFTriggerReverseThrust -1 0 0x14 4 0 0 1 “FCTRL: ENGINE - Togg. Thrust Reverser”

        All found in the BMS - Full keyfile. Hope this helps

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        • TeeSquare
          TeeSquare @Tiffy last edited by

          SimSpotLight For the spot light.

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          • Icarus
            Icarus @TeeSquare last edited by

            Don’t use the BMS 4.32 keyfile. It won’t work properly. You will be missing functionality.

            System Specs:

            Main: i7-3930K @ 4.0 GHz, 32Gb Corsair 2133-DDR3 RAM, RTX 2080ti, 1Tb Samsung SSD + 5x Samsung SSD's, 1.0KW Corsair PSU, SB Fatal1ty Recon3D Professional, Sennheiser PC360, 30" Dell LED/24" Acer LED, Corsair K70, Cougar MFDs, Cougar FSSB-R2 + WH grip, TUSBA TQS + CubPilot HALL mod, 4x CH MFP's, BU036A, BU036X, TrackIR5 + DelanClip, Simpeds, Gametrix KW-908 Jetseat + Buttkicker Gamer2, 3rd Space vest.

            Secondary: 2x 19" LED, 2x 8" VGA, 2x 7" USB, 14" LED, MFDE.

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            • Kolbe-49th
              Kolbe-49th last edited by

              @chriswarren:

              I’m using a BMS 4.32 keyfile (I know…)

              Can someone try and explain in King’s English how (and whether) I can go about using the following commands:

              • cockpit spotlight (Edit: have now found this in my old keyfile)
              • fold wings
              • thrust reverser

              Is there a clickable cockpit switch for these actions? Or is it impossible to have these functions unless you use a BMS 4.33 keyfile or parts thereof?

              (I hope it doesn’t mean trying to use the Key File Editor. I’ve tried reading the BMS Key File editor documentation, but to be honest, if the author thought they were explaining things in a way that would help a newbie understand what to actually do with the tool, then I would discourage them from ever starting a career as a teacher! All respect however for the amount of work that must have gone into this.)

              Hi chris.

              I am really sorry that you don’t understand my manual.
              You must know: English is not my native language. Thats the reason I always try to explain things very basic…

              If you don’t understand this, your’re screwed… :wfish:

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              • Kolbe-49th
                Kolbe-49th @Kolbe-49th last edited by

                …double post…

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                • PumpyHead
                  PumpyHead last edited by

                  @chriswarren:

                  Can someone try and explain in King’s English how (and whether) I can go about using the following commands:

                  • cockpit spotlight (Edit: have now found this in my old keyfile)
                  • fold wings
                  • thrust reverser

                  Is there a clickable cockpit switch for these actions? Or is it impossible to have these functions unless you use a BMS 4.33 keyfile or parts thereof?

                  [Pumpy clears throat]eh em.
                  Hello good sir.
                  Perchance you should trifle to cozy up to the copious manuals located in the documents’ folder.
                  Perhaps a hearty breakfast of bangers and mash would be desirable before attempting such a feat.

                  Regards. Pip, pip and cheerio, ol’ chap!

                  j/k 🙂

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                  • Blu3wolf
                    Blu3wolf last edited by

                    You found the cockpit spotlight in your old keyfile…?

                    Your old, 4.32 keyfile??

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                    • Wolf
                      Wolf @PumpyHead last edited by

                      Lol. If only you guys knew,and Chris bless his heart would never tell. Thanks Tiffy for your help.

                      😄

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                      • Lobster
                        Lobster @Icarus last edited by

                        @Icarus:

                        Don’t use the BMS 4.32 keyfile. It won’t work properly. You will be missing functionality.

                        HOTAS functionality or pit-building functionality? DX’ing my X52 is a royal pain in the ass and importing keyfiles doesn’t seem to work with the Keyfile Editor on Open Office, so I used my 4.32 keyfile and haven’t had to do anything other than fix a couple of changed keys.

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                        • Blu3wolf
                          Blu3wolf last edited by

                          Depending on which 4.32 keyfile you used, quite a lot of HOTAS functionality.

                          If you set it up properly back in 32 then there is minimal changes needed.

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                          • Icarus
                            Icarus @Lobster last edited by

                            @Lobster:

                            HOTAS functionality or pit-building functionality? DX’ing my X52 is a royal pain in the ass and importing keyfiles doesn’t seem to work with the Keyfile Editor on Open Office, so I used my 4.32 keyfile and haven’t had to do anything other than fix a couple of changed keys.

                            Ok then. Be prepared not to be able to do stuff, because HOTAS functionality will be lost.

                            System Specs:

                            Main: i7-3930K @ 4.0 GHz, 32Gb Corsair 2133-DDR3 RAM, RTX 2080ti, 1Tb Samsung SSD + 5x Samsung SSD's, 1.0KW Corsair PSU, SB Fatal1ty Recon3D Professional, Sennheiser PC360, 30" Dell LED/24" Acer LED, Corsair K70, Cougar MFDs, Cougar FSSB-R2 + WH grip, TUSBA TQS + CubPilot HALL mod, 4x CH MFP's, BU036A, BU036X, TrackIR5 + DelanClip, Simpeds, Gametrix KW-908 Jetseat + Buttkicker Gamer2, 3rd Space vest.

                            Secondary: 2x 19" LED, 2x 8" VGA, 2x 7" USB, 14" LED, MFDE.

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                            • Lobster
                              Lobster @Icarus last edited by

                              @Icarus:

                              Ok then. Be prepared not to be able to do stuff, because HOTAS functionality will be lost.

                              My question is: What functionality? If you don’t have a specific answer then there’s no point in giving an answer at all, especially a half-assed one like that. “Stuff” isn’t helpful in the slightest.

                              Depending on which 4.32 keyfile you used, quite a lot of HOTAS functionality.

                              If you set it up properly back in 32 then there is minimal changes needed.

                              As far as I know, yes, I set it up “correctly.” I should note that I didn’t import the keyfile entirely, but instead copy/pasted the DX HOTAS assignments into the already existing 4.33 keyfile. So far I have only run into three issues: clutch button not working (probably SST software issue), speed brakes open/close key assignments changed between 4.32 and 4.33 (easy fix), and trim reset toggling the AAR door (another easy fix).

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                              • Blu3wolf
                                Blu3wolf @Lobster last edited by

                                well, copy pasting the DX assignments, then going through them individually looking for changed callbacks with reference to the manual so generously provided for that specific purpose, is what I did. Took the blank keyfile included in the install and copied my DX assignments into it.

                                I had to disable my shift button through the bms cfg to get it to work as well.

                                The speed brakes directX has not changed. If you set it up with directX that should not have needed changing.

                                When I say depending on keyfile, its because the default keyfile in BMS that so many used, used old and dated callbacks, a number of which are no longer working in 4.33 - and if your DX assignments included those, then they plain wont work. If you used a nonstandard keyfile such as those developed by Kolbe (and which are now default in 4.33), then you wont have to worry about that.

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                                • Lobster
                                  Lobster @Blu3wolf last edited by

                                  I use the precision slider for the speedbrakes so DX won’t work there–I have to use the SST program for that. HOTAS-only functions (as in what’s in the real Viper) haven’t changed from 4.32 to 4.33 have they? I just went though the -1 and assigned HOTAS functions to the X52 as close to real-life placement as I could.

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                                  • Icarus
                                    Icarus @Lobster last edited by

                                    @Lobster:

                                    My question is: What functionality? If you don’t have a specific answer then there’s no point in giving an answer at all, especially a half-assed one like that. “Stuff” isn’t helpful in the slightest.

                                    For someone who wants help you are quite rude. There are keystrokes you won’t even have as they have been changed completely and /or renamed. As for the functionality….figure it out for yourself wise guy.

                                    System Specs:

                                    Main: i7-3930K @ 4.0 GHz, 32Gb Corsair 2133-DDR3 RAM, RTX 2080ti, 1Tb Samsung SSD + 5x Samsung SSD's, 1.0KW Corsair PSU, SB Fatal1ty Recon3D Professional, Sennheiser PC360, 30" Dell LED/24" Acer LED, Corsair K70, Cougar MFDs, Cougar FSSB-R2 + WH grip, TUSBA TQS + CubPilot HALL mod, 4x CH MFP's, BU036A, BU036X, TrackIR5 + DelanClip, Simpeds, Gametrix KW-908 Jetseat + Buttkicker Gamer2, 3rd Space vest.

                                    Secondary: 2x 19" LED, 2x 8" VGA, 2x 7" USB, 14" LED, MFDE.

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                                    • Lobster
                                      Lobster @Icarus last edited by

                                      I never asked for help. I asked what functions would be lost. You shot your mouth off without providing a relevant answer. You’re wasting everyone’s time with ambiguous uninformative posts.

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                                      • Icarus
                                        Icarus @Lobster last edited by

                                        Asking for info is asking for help. Figure it out for yourself.

                                        System Specs:

                                        Main: i7-3930K @ 4.0 GHz, 32Gb Corsair 2133-DDR3 RAM, RTX 2080ti, 1Tb Samsung SSD + 5x Samsung SSD's, 1.0KW Corsair PSU, SB Fatal1ty Recon3D Professional, Sennheiser PC360, 30" Dell LED/24" Acer LED, Corsair K70, Cougar MFDs, Cougar FSSB-R2 + WH grip, TUSBA TQS + CubPilot HALL mod, 4x CH MFP's, BU036A, BU036X, TrackIR5 + DelanClip, Simpeds, Gametrix KW-908 Jetseat + Buttkicker Gamer2, 3rd Space vest.

                                        Secondary: 2x 19" LED, 2x 8" VGA, 2x 7" USB, 14" LED, MFDE.

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                                        • Lobster
                                          Lobster @Icarus last edited by

                                          Your first response essentially said “figure it out for yourself” so why are you continuing to waste your breath? FFS people in the sim community drive me insane sometimes. If you don’t want to give info then don’t waste everyone’s time with a useless post.

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                                          • Blu3wolf
                                            Blu3wolf @Lobster last edited by

                                            @Lobster:

                                            I use the precision slider for the speedbrakes so DX won’t work there–I have to use the SST program for that. HOTAS-only functions (as in what’s in the real Viper) haven’t changed from 4.32 to 4.33 have they? I just went though the -1 and assigned HOTAS functions to the X52 as close to real-life placement as I could.

                                            If you used the HOTAS commands then you will be fine. Its the arcade style callbacks that are in danger, like cycling through AA/AG weapons for instance.

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