Cannot Laze . getting T not an L letter during gbu drop . need help please.

[SILENT_ONE]

Ive been away a long time . Just getting back. I have read the manual . I have watched the tutorials on youtube . I cant see whats wrong.

I have master arm on. I have laze switch up and on. ccrp and gbu page on. I have target locked but instead of an L I get a T symbol in its place. When I drop the gbu the T flashes as the L would. but the bomb falls unguided.

Its like Im in a training mode but Im set to drop and it lets me drop.

Using warthog stick and cougar throttle, if that makes a difference. Merged by Target.

Hope someone can help .

[Red Dog]

you need to go back to the manuals I’d suggest taking the LGB training mission and the associated training manual chapter
My guess: Your laser is not combat

[SILENT_ONE]

I found it but only by luck. Lazer not in combat . Thats new and not obvious at all. . Having several manuals and not exactly set out intuitively for returnees. Theres no online tutorials saying you have to mess with the scratch pad just to use the lazer. Talk about non intuitive. Ive got my lazer on , Training switch off but theres still part of the ship in training mode Ive never used or heard of before. Well I know about it know. Not sure that it adds anything to the sim other than another level of irritation though.

[spooky]

@SILENT_ONE:

I found it but only by luck. Lazer not in combat . Thats new and not obvious at all. . Having several manuals and not exactly set out intuitively for returnees. Theres no online tutorials saying you have to mess with the scratch pad just to use the lazer. Talk about non intuitive. Ive got my lazer on , Training switch off but theres still part of the ship in training mode Ive never used or heard of before. Well I know about it know. Not sure that it adds anything to the sim other than another level of irritation though.

Are you serious ??? …. you people have balls to complain about manuals now …i guess it’s true …some people are just not ot be satisfied.

[Bertuz]

@SILENT_ONE:

I found it but only by luck. Lazer not in combat . Thats new and not obvious at all. . Having several manuals and not exactly set out intuitively for returnees. Theres no online tutorials saying you have to mess with the scratch pad just to use the lazer. Talk about non intuitive. Ive got my lazer on , Training switch off but theres still part of the ship in training mode Ive never used or heard of before. Well I know about it know. Not sure that it adds anything to the sim other than another level of irritation though.

Well I suppose this is how it’s implemented in the real jet, so it adds realism, and in my noble opinion that’s what this sim is all about, right? Otherwise we could all play HAWX or something

[Red Dog]

it’s okay.
Before ppl complained because there was no complete manual
Now we expect some to complain because there is too much info in the manual
So is life

But that’s the reason we created the training manual.
It’s very specific information on very specific procedure. So IMHO the fastest way to get what you need when you’re overwhelmed by the different manuals, which is expected

So if the OP took that TRN he would have found the missing bit

[Tulkas]

I am not sure if he is complaning about the manuals or about the plane (real) being bad designed and little intuitive, either case, who cares?

[Blu3wolf]

@SILENT_ONE:

I found it but only by luck. Lazer not in combat . Thats new and not obvious at all. . Having several manuals and not exactly set out intuitively for returnees. Theres no online tutorials saying you have to mess with the scratch pad just to use the lazer. Talk about non intuitive. Ive got my lazer on , Training switch off but theres still part of the ship in training mode Ive never used or heard of before. Well I know about it know. Not sure that it adds anything to the sim other than another level of irritation though.

You mean, other than being that much closer to simulating its prototypical brethren correctly?

Perhaps you meant that you werent sure it added anything to the game.

[hoover]

I’d like to state that I’m absolutely in LOVE with the new manuals. I’ve just completed reading the BMS manual, the training stuff will be next on my list.

I’ve flown some training missions while I set up my 433 environment also employing GBUs on the range, and I was wondering why they would miss by a mile or so although I was doing nothing different than in 432. I didn’t dispair however or write angry posts lambasting the great work done by the devs and tech writers because I just knew the info would be there, all well laid out in the training manuals which I’d get around to reading soon.

At least my wingman managed to destroy our assigned target on the range each time, which is a welcome change from the sometimes buggy AI in 432.

Again, thanks a lot to the BMS devs for adding another layer of realism to fBMS. I agree that’s what it’s all about, and what it should be all about.

Uwe

[Amraam]

What bomb exactly? Paveway III (better continous) required more laser than Paveway II (10sec).
What laser code? Cloud on the way? TRG vs CMBT mode? If you have a video,it should be better.

[SILENT_ONE]

wtf guys. I started a thread asking for some help . What I get is " read the manual" That with all due respect isnt a great help. As I can see from the touchy individuals here . Not a real friendly community I see. How dare I complain? Get real please

Im supposed to guess that a new bit of info on weapon deployment is going to be in a folder called training missions? How am I supposed to know that Im not a magician I appreciate the work thats been done. I really do. The way the manuals been set out could have been more helpful for returnees. Not just for a closed club of fans who have been here all along. DCS A10c isnt exactly easy to pick up ether . But at least the manuals set up logically to learn the systems. So how about cutting new players some slack and help them out. Rather that just pointing to the manuals or bitching about how impertinent they are besmirching your great game.

[Amraam]

Did you really read the training manual? You cannot say that the manual is not well done if you don’t read it. And if you read it, you will find the answer. Be fair !
I have NO problem to help as much as possible. But don’t say that the manual is not well done when the answers can be find easily in it.

[Blu3wolf]

@SILENT_ONE:

wtf guys. I started a thread asking for some help . What I get is " read the manual" That with all due respect isnt a great help. As I can see from the touchy individuals here . Not a real friendly community I see. How dare I complain? Get real please

Im supposed to guess that a new bit of info on weapon deployment is going to be in a folder called training missions? How am I supposed to know that Im not a magician I appreciate the work thats been done. I really do. The way the manuals been set out could have been more helpful for returnees. Not just for a closed club of fans who have been here all along. DCS A10c isnt exactly easy to pick up ether . But at least the manuals set up logically to learn the systems. So how about cutting new players some slack and help them out. Rather that just pointing to the manuals or bitching about how impertinent they are besmirching your great game.

@Red:

The manuals are all in your Docs folder.

Please understand we spend thousands of hours on these manuals and we would like you to use them.
We understand the way forum media works and it may be easier to ask rather than to look for yourself but you are not always giving the best service to yourself or to other simmers doing so.

When you answer a question, ensure you have the RIGHT information. Or point to the manual.
The moderation team will specifically points to manuals whenever a question can be easily answered in the manuals.
We will also NOT tolerate anymore links to outdated documentation leading to user’s confusion. That’s a thing of the past now.

Expect a lot of kind RTFM to be posted. learn to take them and learn to use the manuals

Thanks and enjoy BMS

That does a good job of summing it up, I think. Incidentally, the new info in this case was in several places. You could have found it in the training manual had you read that, or you could have found it in the avionics manual (page 91) had you read that…

You have a bit of gall, calling us touchy, after basically saying that you need it to be in an online tutorial for you to be able to parse it.

[thunder]

Well, to be honest I haven’t read a lot of the new stuff yet, but one of the very first things I came across when skimming through the manuals was exactly this laser thing. So not really hard to find at all.
Plus, I don’t see how they could’ve made it any easier for returnees (I am one myself…): they made a set of training missions with a manual that’s clearly labelled “Training” and follows in the exact style of the original Falcon 4.0 manual.

[l3crusader]

@SILENT_ONE:

wtf guys. I started a thread asking for some help . What I get is " read the manual" That with all due respect isnt a great help. As I can see from the touchy individuals here . Not a real friendly community I see. How dare I complain? Get real please

Im supposed to guess that a new bit of info on weapon deployment is going to be in a folder called training missions? How am I supposed to know that Im not a magician I appreciate the work thats been done. I really do. The way the manuals been set out could have been more helpful for returnees. Not just for a closed club of fans who have been here all along. DCS A10c isnt exactly easy to pick up ether . But at least the manuals set up logically to learn the systems. So how about cutting new players some slack and help them out. Rather that just pointing to the manuals or bitching about how impertinent they are besmirching your great game.

We point to the manuals because whenever you will have a new question, you will then first try to look up the manuals before posting. Some people spent a great deal of time and efforts making them, so the least you can do is respect their efforts.

Red Dog did answer you right away with the solution to your problem, while he’s the most entitled to tell you to RTFM.

Reading the training manual section LGB, I can see twice the info about setting laser to combat (one in the very first page of the LGB training mission, so easy to find), and in the TO-BMS1F-16CM-34-1-1, all I have to do is make a search on “laser” to get the info.

As a reminder :

• BMS-Manual is about the general knowledge on the sim itself : how to instal/configure/etc…
• BMS-training is about the training missions - and are an excellent way to learn a new system.
• TO-BMS1F-16CM-1 is about basic aircraft systems, cockpit, and basic procedures.
• TO-BMS1F-16CM-34-1-1 is about avionics and weapons employment.

About the “talk about non-intuitive” thing : well, ask Lockheed Martin, not us.

[Dee-Jay]

Hi and Welcome Silent One!

@SILENT_ONE:

I started a thread asking for some help . What I get is " read the manual" That with all due respect isnt a great help.

Now it is a great help … because now relevent manuals does existe which wasn’t the case in previous version.

@SILENT_ONE:

Im supposed to guess that a new bit of info on weapon deployment is going to be in a folder called training missions? How am I supposed to know that Im not a magician .

Indeed , you can’t (except by watching the launcher’s menu wher you can see Docs and maybe figure out that it means “Documentations”) … and this is why we are pointing those manuals, so now, you know that valuable informations are available into those manuals.

Now you knwo where to find the manuals, I guees you know how to read a “Table of content” or using the search feature of your favorite PDF reader … then you are go to try to find the answer by yourself whithout ask ppl here to copy/past the manual on this thread for you.

If you still do not find the info or do not understand, we will of course do our best to try to explain what you didn’t understood.

But first reflex must be => Manuals and docs. anytime some ppl will come with a question, we will point the answer in the manual first (if possible, by giving a chapter reference, or a page … etc …) More explnanations will be given IF answer is not in manual or incomplet or …

[I-Hawk]

@SILENT_ONE:

wtf guys. I started a thread asking for some help . What I get is " read the manual" That with all due respect isnt a great help. As I can see from the touchy individuals here . Not a real friendly community I see. How dare I complain? Get real please

Yes because the manuals have all the answers you need. If you took the time to read the Sniper section then you will know that you needed to switch laser to combat in order to guide LGBs.
I’m not even getting into the argument about the details, this is as real as we could get it in the 4.33 scope, and we will keep going out and looking for real, not good for you? so maybe it’s not the sim for you

DCS A10c isnt exactly easy to pick up ether . But at least the manuals set up logically to learn the systems.

I just love it when people are saying something but not explaining anything actually… if you have complains about the manuals structure, you are welcome to open a thread about it and explain EXACTLY what you don’t like or what you think can be improved.
And just for the record, IMHO the BMS manuals are closer to real manuals, than the DCS A-10 manual, for example.

[Blu3wolf]

I am very happy with that aspect of the manuals actually. 4.32’s “dash 34” did not live up to the name. 4.33 is MUCH better in this regard.

[ParaBellum]

Just posting to say that the manuals in 4.33 are a massive improvement compared to previous versions.

A BIG thanks to all involved, really makes it much easier to get back into Falcon.

[EggsNFries]

@ParaBellum:

Just posting to say that the manuals in 4.33 are a massive improvement compared to previous versions.

A BIG thanks to all involved, really makes it much easier to get back into Falcon.

+1