Beginner questions

[Eseem]

Hey guys, really having fun with 4.33 right now! I have three questions regarding some of the systems.

1, When using the UFC MARK page to set new target steerpoints in the IAM TE, it seems that the FCR stops scanning, and only a part of the radar-cone “history” is displayed. Is this correct, and if so, why?

2, Does the Curser Zero callback (Page Up) nullify slews on all systems at once, or do I have to take SOI into consideration? (undesignating targets are required regardless, of course)

3, New of the version, I get a periodic ringing sound that’s not the CONT datalink (slight different tones with different blocks, it seems). I’m guessing this might be the RWR? Perhaps when a new signature is registered? I cannot find a mention of it in the manuals.

Thanks!

[Dee-Jay]

1 - A screenshot would be useful … but IMO, it is because it points to the SPI (which can be behind you).

2 - It does reset the SPI, not (or not only) the SOI.

3 - You are probably talking about the “New Guy” tone.

EDIT:

I cannot find a mention of it in the manuals.

TO-BMS1F-16CM-34-1-1.pdf page 48

[Red Dog]

1, When using the UFC MARK page to set new target steerpoints in the IAM TE, it seems that the FCR stops scanning, and only a part of the radar-cone “history” is displayed. Is this correct, and if so, why?

FCR mark is made with TMS up
FCR designate is made with TMS up
are you talking about the first or second markpoint in the TE

because you need to keep the mark page untouched from the first to create the second with TMS up without designating. If you moved the mark page back to CNI or any other page the TMS up will designate the FCR
So more information required

[Frederf]

If you have GM FCR without FTT and select Mark it’ll reset the FCR to some unhelpful mode (HUD markpoint, FCR in AGR). If you want to mark a particular spot make sure and lock an object in FTT/MTT before you press ICP-7. The fact that you can’t easily mark a GM FCR cursor position (easily) without going FTT is really annoying.

CZ is global as there is only one “system deltas” to zero. System deltas are the difference between steerpoint and SPI. It doesn’t matter what sensor generated the deltas there is only one deltas in the whole system. Any “CZ” OSB on any page it is found does exactly the same thing.

IDM tone is the IDM giving periodic bursts of high-frequency data traffic over the VHF/UHF comm gear which can be slightly heard (because the low-pass filter isn’t perfect) over the normal range. You’ll find it corresponds to the IDM position/etc. data updates as they appear. You’ll hit it once when using the on-demand ASGN/DMD or every few seconds on CONT.

[molnibalage]

@Red:

FCR mark is made with TMS up
FCR designate is made with TMS up
are you talking about the first or second markpoint in the TE

because you need to keep the mark page untouched from the first to create the second with TMS up without designating. If you moved the mark page back to CNI or any other page the TMS up will designate the FCR
So more information required

Maybe is shocking to you but I simply do not understand what should I do what I read TMS uo/down, DMS up/down or CMS. I never configured HOTAS and with old keys I simply did not needed.

Is simply no such thing in keylist. How should I configure my X52 Pro to deterimne of my joy and throttle which Hat controls which…?

I know this video but I have simply no clue how should I configure my controls…

Also did not find with sears any info what it means FSRS during RWR test. I made two ramp starts. In both cases on ground I got “BAD” feedback but in second time in airbore it was “OK”. I did nothing between two cases.

Also do not understand why was not runned properly the FCR test in second time when I forgot to turn on air source to NORM.

[Frederf]

A meaningful discussion of how to use the F-16 is impossible without using the real names of the controls of an F-16. Every keyfile made in the last 5 years has all the major controls we use today. If your keyfile does not have them, throw it away and get a good one. All keyfiles shipped with 4.33 have the necessary controls.

Configuring your joysticks, keyboard, etc. to interact properly with the airplane is separable from the idea of what F-16 controls do what.

I don’t know what FSRS means either.

When Air Source is set to off FCR knows there’s no chance of cooling properly and is inhibited. Radar takes kW of electricity turning to heat.

[Red Dog]

Maybe is shocking to you but I simply do not understand what should I do what I read TMS uo/down, DMS up/down or CMS. I never configured HOTAS and with old keys I simply did not needed.

As Frederf said, you simply can’t use the F-16 system if you don’t have at least a basic knowledge of the real Hotas functions.
TMS Target management systems
DMS Display Management system
CMS Countermeasure Management system
All threes are hats on the sidestick and documented at lenght in the BMS manuals. Dash1 & 34 have all the explanation you need

You simply cannot use the F-16 if you don’t use them.
We can’t do anthing for you if you don’t take the required steps to learn the way it’s supposed to be done.

The programming of these 12 functions are the easiest possible. There is no expert programming required. You have to find 3 hats and assign each a TMS, DMS and CMS.
up is up, left is left, right is right and down is down
How hard that is?
No idea how CH programming works but it shouldn’t be harder than saying Hat3up is TMS up and the same for the rest

The hard programming is made in game (and transparent for the user) as the TMS/DMS/CMS functions are different according to master mode and lenght of press in some cases. And again, that’s all explained in the manuals. Yes it’s abit hard when you start but it becomes very quicly second nature once you get the hang of it

Also did not find with sears any info what it means FSRS during RWR test. I made two ramp starts. In both cases on ground I got “BAD” feedback but in second time in airbore it was “OK”. I did nothing between two cases.

FSRS? no idea what that is

Also do not understand why was not runned properly the FCR test in second time when I forgot to turn on air source to NORM.

Once again
If airsource is out of norm systems will overheat and the system will protect itself by turning off non essential buses. The FCR is non essential and will shut off automatically if the pilot doesn’t realise the air source issue. Beside you get a warning panel all lighted up. It takes a blind pilot not to notice
It’s an F-16 mate it’s complex and unlike a VW polo. As expected It requires Learning and a lot of Learning.

[molnibalage]

As Frederf said, you simply can’t use the F-16 system if you don’t have at least a basic knowledge of the real Hotas functions.
TMS Target management systems
DMS Display Management system
CMS Countermeasure Management system
All threes are hats on the sidestick and documented at lenght in the BMS manuals. Dash1 & 34 have all the explanation you need

I know and understand what they are, were they are on RL F-16 stick and in manuals are explained in different mastermodes their function. Only problem I cannot assign my HAT controls on joystick to be any of them. One of TMS and DMS/CMS are pre defined on two button (!) on joy. Two HAT directions on BUTTON… Hm…

So at least I found two names when I used them but following these names I still cannot found anyting what would allow to define each direction of HAT controls for TMS/DMS/CMS…

You simply cannot use the F-16 if you don’t use them.

I know…

The programming of these 12 functions are the easiest possible. There is no expert programming required. You have to find 3 hats and assign each a TMS, DMS and CMS.
up is up, left is left, right is right and down is down
How hard that is?
No idea how CH programming works but it shouldn’t be harder than saying Hat3up is TMS up and the same for the rest

This is the problem. It is hard. I spend 2 hours to find anything in manuals or by myself and result was a big 0… I used content and pdf sercth with TMS/DMS/CMS, I checked all manuals.

FSRS? no idea what that is

Me too because I found nothing in manuals with search. After I test RWR I can see on second appearing page on RWR display, the most bottom text line.

[haukka81]

Just go to options –> find sidestick in the controls -> find tms up etc, click it, then just push your hat up etc… Really simple if you have x52pro

[molnibalage]

@haukka81:

Just go to options –> find sidestick in the controls -> find tms up etc, click it, then just push your hat up etc… Really simple if you have x52pro

Yes, this is what I tried. I simply cannot find TMS up/down/L/R and DMS and CMS in the list so I cannot make the link between tham. I have done this in FF5.x long time ago but I never flew seriously with BMS4.32 so I wish to program now my X52 Pro what I have since late Sept.

[haukka81]

@molnibalage:

Yes, this is what I tried. I simply cannot find TMS up/down/L/R and DMS and CMS in the list so I cannot make the link between tham. I have done this in FF5.x long time ago but I never flew seriously with BMS4.32 so I wish to program now my X52 Pro what I have since late Sept.

Use full keyfile ? Default 4.33 keyfile.

Im in work so i cant check it better now but thats the one i use and there is tms , cms etc

[Frederf]

@molnibalage:

Yes, this is what I tried. I simply cannot find TMS up/down/L/R and DMS and CMS in the list so I cannot make the link between tham. I have done this in FF5.x long time ago but I never flew seriously with BMS4.32 so I wish to program now my X52 Pro what I have since late Sept.

Look into your key file \user\config*.key using Notepad and search for “SimTMSUp”. Every keyfile author gets creative with the text label in quotes which marks the callback. Once you find the label in the file close it without saving and then you know what text label to look for in the list.

[Red Dog]

Comon Molni, you must be kidding?….

BMS full key file has a nice layout panel by panel. included in there are the ones to go on the stick and throttle.
We couldn’t have laid it out any easier and you guy still don’t find it … if this is not spoon feeding

SimDoNothing -1 0 0XFFFFFFFF 0 0 0 -1 “======== 5.11 FLIGHT STICK ========”
SimTMSUp -1 0 0xC7 1 0 0 1 “STICK: TMS Up”
SimTMSDown -1 0 0xCF 1 0 0 1 “STICK: TMS Down”
SimTMSLeft -1 0 0xD3 1 0 0 1 “STICK: TMS Left”
SimTMSRight -1 0 0xD1 1 0 0 1 “STICK: TMS Right”
SimDMSUp -1 0 0xC7 2 0 0 1 “STICK: DMS Up”
SimDMSDown -1 0 0xCF 2 0 0 1 “STICK: DMS Down”
SimDMSLeft -1 0 0xD3 2 0 0 1 “STICK: DMS Left”
SimDMSRight -1 0 0xD1 2 0 0 1 “STICK: DMS Right”
SimCMSUp -1 0 0xC7 4 0 0 1 “STICK: CMS Up”
SimCMSDown -1 0 0xCF 4 0 0 1 “STICK: CMS Down”
SimCMSLeft -1 0 0xD3 4 0 0 1 “STICK: CMS Left”
SimCMSRight -1 0 0xD1 4 0 0 1 “STICK: CMS Right”

[Eseem]

Thanks for helping out, guys! Lot’s of knowledge here. The MARK “issue” happens when I run the IAM training scenario, I was using the FCR in GM to find the vehicle columns, scaled down to DSB2, hit UFC key 7 (MARK), toggled MARK to FCR with Seq., and marked the position on the FCR with TMS UP. The vehicles showed up after selecting MARK, and the marking worked as expected, so it wasn’t really an issue of finding or marking the target. However, the FCR seemed to stop scanning and when zoomed out again it would leave out a significant slice of it’s field of view. It started scanning again with a quick MRM OVRD - Cancel, but I thought it a bit weird that it would stop all together when marking (given that I didn’t do something weird systemwise, which of course is a good posibility). I’ll take a closer look at this some time soon.

[Red Dog]

when the FCR is designating it stops scanning, it’s normal. that’s the reason why i said that maybe the TMS up was not a mark but a FCR designate

[molnibalage]

My first ever first one connect refuel just has been performed. Yeah… It was PITA process, but at least I recorded it.

[molnibalage]

In some cases when I turn of TFR I got differt kind of warning but I cannot turn off the bitchin betty voice warning (pull up). What button should be programmed on this? In this cases I get warning light (TF-FAIL) on upper left line of console.

I also do not understand the link between ALOW page ALT values and TFR. Just for fun I set for all 10k and TFR never complained.

[molnibalage]

I also do not understand the fuze behavior of bombs. Has anything changed…? I dropped two GBU-24 from very high alt but none of them exploded even their fuze settings was defult 6 sec delay.

Now I maybe figured out what the problem is in case I use TFR without ramp start. I do not know why but TFR had to be realigned. Only problem during mapping of TFR I also discovered a TF-FAIL when I did high bank turn above water with 200 feet setting. After cont. “pull up” betty the pitch control never could be reagained.

Yes, I read manual. I ask because the manual said me nothing usable…

[Frederf]

The “advanced mode” button is actually a button near the autopilot switches. For latched (doesn’t go away easily) errors with TFR press it to prevent continued flyup. Please address all TFR-related warnings and faults before reengaging TFR.

There is no connection in the software. “CARA” is radio altimeter warning it is recommended to set at 90% ZCP as a warning. Soft and hard flyups happen at 75% and 50% ZCP even without the warning. It gives you a an audio warning and a chance to prevent the flyup protection.

ALT floor in MSL is a barometric warning usually set much higher as desired by pilot (commander may set minimum altitude over threat, etc.) TF ADV is the altitude above which attitude warnings for TFR are prevented.

TFR will fail if you try to turn it on or operate in any more other than OFF or STANDBY before timeout. It takes a looooong time (too long, bug) to time out so wait. If you get a failure by not waiting, turn off and back to standby until time out is complete and clear any TEST page faults.

TFR doesn’t need alignment but FINS (video picture) does. TFR works just fine without using or aligning FINS though if you are OK without the video portion.

[Dee-Jay]

@molnibalage:

I also do not understand the fuze behavior of bombs. Has anything changed…? I dropped two GBU-24 from very high alt but none of them exploded even their fuze settings was defult 6 sec delay.

How are you flying your jet? … are you staying within the speed and G limitations given by the loadout page?