A bit questions on Hornet
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I was reading the training manual. It says the Hornet has “advanced flight model”. Does it mean unlike most other planes modeled in BMS, F-18s are not reskinned vipers? From the reading of the manual, it sounded like everything else except avionics is hornet specific, not borrowed from F-16s?
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I was reading the training manual. It says the Hornet has “advanced flight model”. Does it mean unlike most other planes modeled in BMS, F-18s are not reskinned vipers? From the reading of the manual, it sounded like everything else except avionics is hornet specific, not borrowed from F-16s?
Well, yes and no
It does get an AFM. But lift/drag coefs are the one of the original OFM files, and all torques coefs are those of the F-16.
Short of having access to a wind tunnel and a decent F-18 model to get good data, or a good CFD software with a good amount of computing power and a good 3d model, then that’s pretty much all we can do.
The Mirages are kinda similar - their AFMs are tweaked from the F-16 one.
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Well, yes and no
It does get an AFM. But lift/drag coefs are the one of the original OFM files, and all torques coefs are those of the F-16.
Short of having access to a wind tunnel and a decent F-18 model to get good data, or a good CFD software with a good amount of computing power and a good 3d model, then that’s pretty much all we can do.
The Mirages are kinda similar - their AFMs are tweaked from the F-16 one.
Thanks. I am glad to learn a bit of the background story. For an aviation amateur like me, this is more than enough.
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…even with “good wind tunnel data” building a good, realistic F/A-18 FM would be difficult, if it could be done at all that way…you’d also have to know something about the jet’s fly-by-wire control laws and capabilities. Which are drastically different from the F-16.
One could sort of do it by inspection of other Hornet sims…believe it or not, the old Hornet 3.0 has a very good basic FM. But it has a very lousy engine model. Flight test, compare, revise, repeat.
May the bridges I burn light the way
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…even with “good wind tunnel data” building a good, realistic F/A-18 FM would be difficult, if it could be done at all that way…you’d also have to know something about the jet’s fly-by-wire control laws and capabilities. Which are drastically different from the F-16…
Oh yes, yet another excellent point. To be honest, we are immensely fortunate that NASA published the FLCS logic of the F-16.
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What about VRS superbug’s FM? Is their FM simplified or advanced?
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VRS has a petty advanced flight model. I have read a few post over there from a few different Rhino drivers that the model is very accurate through most of the flight envelope, 95 percent I think is what a couple guys said. But they all noted that where it was lacking is where the hornet and rhino really make their money, which is in the low airspeed high alpha situations. The FLCS handles the jet excellently there, but it’s hard to model as the rhino is still the front line premiere fighter in the US Navy.
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Yes…all Hornets shine in the low speed flight regime. I’ll be disappointed myself if that’s messed up…
I have VRS but haven’t really had a chance to take a hard look at it…so someplace down the road I’ll try and issue a PIREP. Systems-wise it seems to be pretty good, but the map/HSI looks hokey.
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Yes…all Hornets shine in the low speed flight regime. I’ll be disappointed myself if that’s messed up…
I have VRS but haven’t really had a chance to take a hard look at it…so someplace down the road I’ll try and issue a PIREP. Systems-wise it seems to be pretty good, but the map/HSI looks hokey.
Sit rep on the VRS report?
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Sit rep on the VRS report?
No progress…I’m distracted by other things at the moment. In fact, I’ve had to stop desk flying altogether for a bit because BMS/FAF are getting in my way to an extent. So I’m just concentrating on building my pit and leaving it at that for now.
But I may yet have to break VRS out for a spin sometime…
May the bridges I burn light the way
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No matter.
I have been flying the VRS Rhino and TP since 2013, and was beta testing FSX@War.
They are not up to snuff as a viable combat sim.
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The shining stars of BMS are it’s AI and combat engine, IMO. I have a feeling that will never be duplicated by anyone else. If only there were an interface standard for 3rd party aircraft model development we could probably get some VERY nice additional aircraft models, near to par with the Viper. Ahhh, but to dream…
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Despite less-than-stellar combat it’s still the go-to choice of you want to fly proper carrier ops or if you are interested in point A to point B flying with mostly accurate Rhino avionics.
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This, I am looking forward to…
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…even with “good wind tunnel data” building a good, realistic F/A-18 FM would be difficult, if it could be done at all that way…you’d also have to know something about the jet’s fly-by-wire control laws and capabilities. Which are drastically different from the F-16.
One could sort of do it by inspection of other Hornet sims…believe it or not, the old Hornet 3.0 has a very good basic FM. But it has a very lousy engine model. Flight test, compare, revise, repeat.
actually Vertical Reality Simulations Superbug would be a good study point, i have their FS2004 version myself and the flight model is very realistic, might be something to eyeball.
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actually Vertical Reality Simulations Superbug would be a good study point, i have their FS2004 version myself and the flight model is very realistic, might be something to eyeball.
It might be good for the base Hornet, but the Super will be something else again…I haven’t tried the VRS adaptation yet but I remain hopeful, as far as the flight dynamics go. Time will tell…I still haven’t seen a better one than Hornet 3.0 as far as the flight model goes - lousy engines, VERY good flight model.
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Despite less-than-stellar combat it’s still the go-to choice of you want to fly proper carrier ops or if you are interested in point A to point B flying with mostly accurate Rhino avionics.
Yes, I logged over 500 traps in vLSO. Then got bored.
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