Feedback Dash-1 BMS 4.33
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May have already been reported but I noticed the description of the AoA bracket in the BMS -1, page 104 is backwards. It seems to be a left over error from the 4.32 manual as it appears in both the 4.32 and 4.33 manuals. However, when talking about landing on page 163 the description is correct.
Edit RD: corrected in next version
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Thanks. Moved this to Dash-1 feedback and will correct
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Topic for feedback on Dash-1
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<to-bms1f-16cm-1.pdf>p.29
<to-bms1f-16cm-34-1-1.pdf>p.17they r exactly same, but p.29 is very blur, hard to read.
i suggest del p.28 29 54 55</to-bms1f-16cm-34-1-1.pdf></to-bms1f-16cm-1.pdf> -
No mention is made of the rocker switch immediately to the left of the DCS four-way switch on the UFC panel.
Is this intentional?
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From page 63:
Note the up and down arrow on the steerpoint on the CNI page. This shows that the current steerpoint
can be incremented or decremented with the PREV/NEXT button of the ICP (the rocker switch located
left of the DCS) without leaving the CNI page.Any number of additional references throughout the ICP chapter, but I can’t be bothered to count them.
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Thanks Darkman.
I frequently get a case of tunnel vision. In this case, I was looking for the description of that switch on page 62 more than page 63, where the layout of the UFC is described. I’m also (admittedly) not as proficient as I should be when it comes to using the DED.
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I found the following error in the subject manual:
As published: 1.2.3.10 ALTIMETER (page 43) The altimeter gives altitude in feet. The needle reads from zero to one hundred feet on the outer scale and the large instrument window gives altitude rounded to the nearest hundred feet.
It should be: 1.2.3.10 ALTIMETER The altimeter gives altitude in feet. The needle reads from zero to one thousand feet on the outer scale and the large instrument window gives altitude rounded to the nearest hundred feet.
I have verified this inflight.
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Hi RedDog,
short question (aka feedback
) …. the picture of the HSD on p. 78 with all CNTL options (lowest image) seems to resemble the one in 4.32 (or an block not yet tested by me in 4.33). Anyway, at least in CM blocks, I noticed at OSB4 the indication HPN which is clickable (on/off). What is this for?Another one: For A/A SMS page on AIM-120: Is the BIT / ALBIT implemented? Does not seem to do anything and is not reported in the -1 (so I guess no). Also, this page is now available for off-borsight IR missiles (9X or equivalent).
A last one: The HUD indication shows while in any A/A mode the type of missile selected, i.e. MRM or SRM. Since 4.33, it shows HOB instead of SRM for the 9X or equivalent. I might only speculate that this means H… off boresight?!?
Thanks for your feedback!
stingray -
Might be I missed something, but there’s no description of the HUD symbology in the Dogfight OM that I can find. Admittedly there’s a good description of these in the Aircraft Fundamentals, but I’m guessing that this document is generally less reviewed than the -1. It couldn’t hurt describing things like the 1G/9G pippers and the BATR.
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Well, it should be described in the BMS-34. The -1 should just describe the basic operation of the aircraft, not the avionics.
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I agree that the DFGT HUD portion is better suited for the -34, but the -1 contains far more HUD-symbology descriptions than the -34. Also, I think we have differing definitions of “avionics”, or a differing understanding of what the -1 contains / should contain. As far as I can tell, a huge chunk of the -1 is dedicated to avionics (UFC, HUD, MFDs, centre console instruments, etc), and that’s exactly where I’d expect to find it.
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It is, but it shouldnt be. Real -1s leave the operation of most of the UFC and MFDs to the -34. In BMS, this is not the case.
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Red Dog –
Dash 1, page 44 (1.4.7.3)
I pretty sure that “The pilot will not see his own…” should read “The pilot will NOW see his own…”
Edit RD: can’t find it
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It is, but it shouldnt be. Real -1s leave the operation of most of the UFC and MFDs to the -34. In BMS, this is not the case.
The real -1 / -34 doesn’t need a manual to tell you about MP connecting or how to use a 2D UI either.
It seems to me the BMS -34 is about how to use the Sim in general and the -1 about how to use AC and systems. Which is a fine division of content as far as I’m concerned. What the manuals are named … I couldn’t care less.
$0.02
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Just as we dont need a -5-2 for stores loading. I just think if you are going to emulate the naming convention, you might as well retain the meaning of that convention.
Case in point, all the MP and UI specific stuff is in a separate manual to the -1 and -34 anyway. It makes sense to do that.
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This discussion is pointless
1. it’s the prerogative of the authors to do as they see fit. Naming convention or not.
2. It’s a sim. if you want to use real manuals, enrol your country airforce
3. compromises are needed, you as a reader lacks to see the big picture because you don’t have spent the thousand hours the author did on the BMS manual suite.
4. Some stuff from the real manuals cannot be added to the sim manuals as they are not relevant to BMS
5. There are stuff that may be better arranged but remember how it was before, we never said the project was finishedSo stop comparing the BMS manual to real ones, you are loosing your time on the simple facts that you cannot/will not accept compromises.
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1. Well said. I will take that advice.
2. Good idea.
3. Indeed, some perspective is important. Duly noted.
4. Obviously.
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Dear all,
Thanks for the nice manual.I cannot find the someone said about the issue.
p94. line 22 “near OSB#17 (189 00) and ownship bullseye position will be”
The numbers in parenthesis are not bullseye position, i think those are the azimuth and distance from the current steerpoint.
It might be better to remove those numbers.Thanks,
Edit RD: corrected in next version
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Dear all,
Thanks for the nice manual.I cannot find the someone said about the issue.
p94. line 22 “near OSB#17 (189 00) and ownship bullseye position will be”
The numbers in parenthesis are not bullseye position, i think those are the azimuth and distance from the current steerpoint.
It might be better to remove those numbers.Thanks,
Whether they are ownship position from BE, or ownship position from SPI, should depend on whether or not BE is MSEL. are you finding this not the case?
