[WIP] Practical comparison for the F-16 block/variants in 4.33
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Was wondering if there was a table or document with a fairly straight forward comparison of the various F-16 variants and blocks now available with 4.33.
I know i can, and have started to, read through something like the F-16 page on wikipedia that has all the variants listed but what i have been looking for was something more simplified that focused more on the sim related features such as what can use the LANTIRN, and what features the Barak variants bring, or even functional differences in what i assume to be the same variant just difference countries like the F-16AM - BAF/RDAF/RNLAF/RNoAF and so on.I would really like to try and get to know the different variants of this amazing machine, but don’t want to spend time setting up flights for a variant when the only differences are cosmetic, or something like the master arm being 5 inches lower on the panel (Making that up obviously).
Update
initial document posted, details in post #9
Here is the link
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xRnt0wLXdA34n84OJitRjEFnCEBUlBrmGle9XyE11p0
If you want to contribute, just PM me.
You can send a access request via google docs, but please also PM me so i know its a valid req -
Hi Draco,
This would be a great project for someone to undertake. I have not taken the opportunity to scan all the 4.33 documents to see if there is a quick “overview” table, but it would make it easier to find what variant you may be interested in. Be aware that the variants differ sometimes externally, sometimes internally and sometimes both. Some blocks differ depending on dates and upgrades. It can be a huge mess.
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well maybe i will spend some time tonight putting together a google docs spreadsheet and share it publicly.
For those that have knowledge to add i can grant access.
At the very least i can get it started. I have a lot of learning to do myself so what better way
I can start with the Wikipedia article and then the dash-1 and dash-34 and such.
If others want to just toss me some sources i will see what i can get add in.If something like this already exists for heavens sake, please someone stop me before i spend a ton of time recreating the wheel LOL
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I’m writing a very extensive document on difference between 4.32 stock block52 and New 4.33 baf mlu as part of the BVT conversion. Can share once finished if to any use.
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Great, i have started a spreadsheet workbook where i have started to lay out all of the features of each model in 4.33. Since some of my sources are from more official docs i will still have to cross ref them with each of in game models to make sure things match. I gotta pretty good start tonight but i can see it will take me a bit more time.
I have it set as a Google sheet, i dont want to toss it to the public yet, but if anyone is masochistic enough to want to dive into this with me, then shoot me a PM and let me know and I can setup access lol
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Hi Draco,
You can also see what each variant has as default avionics if you check out the Avionics Configurator. It is located on the main startup menu.
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yea i had started looking at that as a possible source for comparison but haven’t actually done it yet.
right now its more in the first stage, or what i call “puking on a page” where i just dump in everything i think is needed or i find or have, then try and organize it and keep adding, then will start removing stuff that isn’t needed.
For example, i started noting the different radars that were included with the various blocks, each has its own range, elevation, azimuth etc. The reality is however that this may not be modeled so it may not be worth keeping something like that in hear if it serves no purpose for the casual vPilot to do a comparison, or mission builder to decide what units to use.
(the radar was an ‘example’ it may still be valuable i have no idea, so no need to get into a deep discussion on that here) -
maybe someone can help me with clarifying something.
On the newer blocks, they are equipped with EGI, are the pre EGI blocks equiped with a more basic and less integrated GPS and INS, or are they just using the more simple gyrocompass.
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ok guys i have done an initial compilation of data
i started pulling from sources all over, but then realized that what is in BMS commonly doesnt align with more official documents on certain things, so i back tracked to have the data be sourced from either BMS Docs or somewhere in the sim. Here is a link, its pretty long (wide) spreadsheet now and i will probably break it into a couple different sheets once i figure out what makes the most sense organizationally and after more data is added or removed.https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xRnt0wLXdA34n84OJitRjEFnCEBUlBrmGle9XyE11p0
As noted if you want to contribute, just PM me. you can send a access request via google docs, but please also PM me so i know its a valid req
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this is great.
but u keep a row of “NVG”, is that matter in BMS4.33? not all F-16 have NVG?
and KF-16C-32 use 229 enging? -
this is great.
but u keep a row of “NVG”, is that matter in BMS4.33? not all F-16 have NVG?
and KF-16C-32 use 229 enging?Thanks for the comments. I have corrected the engines on both of the KF-16 models, i must have just done a bad copy/paste or something.
As for the NVG’s it was something i added when i first started the list, but haven’t actually went and checked for sure if NVGs are available to all models or just some.
If they are in fact in all of the BMS F-16 models, then i will probably remove the column all together, are you able to confirm its a standard option on all? -
Thanks for the comments. I have corrected the engines on both of the KF-16 models, i must have just done a bad copy/paste or something.
As for the NVG’s it was something i added when i first started the list, but haven’t actually went and checked for sure if NVGs are available to all models or just some.
If they are in fact in all of the BMS F-16 models, then i will probably remove the column all together, are you able to confirm its a standard option on all?yes, all planes(include Mig-19) have NVG.
r u sure KF-16C-52 use GE engine? in USAF, 40 50 use GE engine, 42 52 use PW engine.
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KF-16 blk 52 should be PW-229. IF the block number ends with a 2, it uses PW, zero is GE. Additionally, are they actually modeling the PW-200 in BMS? PW- 200 did not last long and where replaced by 220 fairly quickly AFAIK ( within a few years ) I’m also wondering about the 220E, that is and old version now IIRC. Same with GE-100, there are up to C version as well.
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Pretty sure the Danish AF still flies PW 200s. Not sure if that’s that way in BMS
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the -100 and -200 could be upgraded to -220E to solve readability issues. so I can only assume ALL -200 were upgraded at some point.
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The PW-200s had a few issues originally……the PW-220 improved/fixed those issues…all PW-200s were removed from USAF service.
Would be surprised if they were not all replaced by PW-220s by the users that could by now.
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First off thanks for the additional feedback, regarding the NVG’s i have removed that column, as its not a variation in models as informed above.
Regarding the KF-16C Block 52, the BMS tactical reference has it as the GE-129 it does have " (block 50) " listed after, so maybe in BMS they have it using the GE-129 model. if there is a BMS specific reference that shows its the PW just let me know where to find it.
At the end of the day i created this as a means for BMS Sim pilots to be able to see the differences in the many variants now modeled in 4.33.
As a result i quickly decided that my “authoritative source” for this would be the BMS included documentation such as the in sim Tactical Reference and included manuals like the “HFFM Manual.pdf” because there can be way to much possible variation for something like this to be perfectly accurate.That in no ways means i still dont have any errors, but to keep things on track, the document should reflect accuracy within BMS. i want to keep this as a simple source for BMS users as a quick reference. If there is BMS documentation showing something different, then i welcome the continued input to get it fixed.
If BMS has no documentation on a specific item, then we will take the next most auhoritative -
Nice work DracoLlasa.
More corrections:
1. IAF C-30, D-30 have JHCMS.
2. EAF C-40, C-52 do not have JHCMS.
3. All IAF F-16s except A/B have internal jammer.
4. F-16I and I-CFT carry the GBU-39 SDB. -
Nice work DracoLlasa.
More corrections:
1. IAF C-30, D-30 have JHCMS.
2. EAF C-40, C-52 do not have JHCMS.
3. All IAF F-16s except A/B have internal jammer.
4. F-16I and I-CFT carry the GBU-39 SDB.awesome thanks!
updates have all been applied -
4. F-16I and I-CFT carry the GBU-39 SDB.
So a comment like this came up before, w/r/t the F-16AM BAF, stating it could carry certain A2A missles.
i found the same thing then as i find now with your above comment regarding the GBU-39.when i load the the variant(s) into the default korea map, and i add each to the map as a flight, then go to edit the loadout, either shows the GBU-39 as an available option in my test TE.
Is this an issue with the TE i have? is it specific to Theater?
