IFF

[Violator]

Is there anyone in this comunity who knows how to implement IFF in our beloved sim?

[Blu3wolf]

As a third party mod?

No one, it needs to be done in code.

[Raptor]

[Radium]

It suppose, it might be implemented in 3~4 years…

[l3crusader]

@Violator:

Is there anyone in this comunity who knows how to implement IFF in our beloved sim?

(I need to save this reply somewhere, I’m definitely going to use it again )

For a functionning IFF, we would also need to implement IFF failures, what happens when you come back in your lines with a bent IFF, safe passage lines, ROEs for AI, creating new radio messages, get rid of “hack” like asking your wingman to engage, etc. Then debug all this, especially since it has a high potential of creating huge bugs like AI never firing or AI firing on friendly too often.

I think a lot of people want IFF just to have a magic button telling them Friendly/Enemy. IRL, that is not the case at all and requires a lot of work in the pit, and in mission preparation. Even IFF Mode 4 might be turned off in enemy space, if needed.

All in all, a lot of other basic stuff more important are missing, like simply having a correct system of frequencies for contacting flight/AWACS/FAC/TAnker, instead of the original F4 one which is kind of a mess.

And before somebody ask : same deal for the L-16.

[Eagle-Eye]

Similar question, but probably easier to implement, and would be more than a good enough start for me: We can already change IFF codes through the DED. Is there a way to have these IFF codes shared/exported to 3rd party software such as F4AWACS? Doesn’t even have to have any function in-game, just use it to make ATC’s job a bit easier. Obviously, that would mean we also need an OSC update, but the easiest would be a small screen in which ATC can insert basic data (this code = that callsign and aircraft type, and maybe mission role)

[Mower]

A fake IFF was implemented reasonably well in FF5.

[Dee-Jay]

@Mower:

A fake IFF was implemented reasonably well in FF5.

Reasonably well?!? Sorry but … better nothing than having this in BMS.

EDIT: Mover … is it also a joke (?)

[Mower]

No I was serious, call me simple, but I thought it was okay. Not great, lacking realism to be sure, but it was something to help sort “who’s who in the zoo”.

[Red Dog]

Similar question, but probably easier to implement, and would be more than a good enough start for me: We can already change IFF codes through the DED. Is there a way to have these IFF codes shared/exported to 3rd party software such as F4AWACS? Doesn’t even have to have any function in-game, just use it to make ATC’s job a bit easier. Obviously, that would mean we also need an OSC update, but the easiest would be a small screen in which ATC can insert basic data (this code = that callsign and aircraft type, and maybe mission role)

That’s not a bad idea at all. and you could even push that further a bit, like display aircraft labels in UI (or Awacs screen only for those having the stuff enabled on the CNI page

[ASharpe]

@l3crusader:

(I need to save this reply somewhere, I’m definitely going to use it again )

For a functionning IFF, we would also need to implement IFF failures, what happens when you come back in your lines with a bent IFF, safe passage lines, ROEs for AI, creating new radio messages, get rid of “hack” like asking your wingman to engage, etc. Then debug all this, especially since it has a high potential of creating huge bugs like AI never firing or AI firing on friendly too often.

I think a lot of people want IFF just to have a magic button telling them Friendly/Enemy. IRL, that is not the case at all and requires a lot of work in the pit, and in mission preparation. Even IFF Mode 4 might be turned off in enemy space, if needed.

All in all, a lot of other basic stuff more important are missing, like simply having a correct system of frequencies for contacting flight/AWACS/FAC/TAnker, instead of the original F4 one which is kind of a mess.

And before somebody ask : same deal for the L-16.

Dumb question but I tried researching this and can find few details…what exactly does l16 do that we don’t already have?

[Blu3wolf]

You could write a short book on that topic good sir…

But I guess flying with labels on covers a good portion of it.

The short version is that its a datalink which craps on the IDM and has a heap of features for integrating aircraft, ships and ground positions on one network. You can classify tracks according to the level of ROE they have satisfied, so a fighter could look at an air track and see that its passed through MRR without complying for example, just from tags on the track. You can vector aircraft onto a target with their radar off.

Lots of things.

[Radium]

EMCON : Enormous Mount of Coding Nightmare !

[I-Hawk]

@Radium:

EMCON : Enormous Mount of Coding Nightmare !

hehe

Coding is actually not the problem here… not saying it’s easy but I wouldn’t call that “hard” (I guess it’s like for you to create a REALLY complicated 3D model, not easy to do but once you start you know you will finish it, because you have the path in your head :)).

The more serious issue is with sources, there are no public documents with detailed L-16 info.

[Blu3wolf]

Well there are public sources that detail the way it works (principles, method of operation, technology used) quite well. I guess you need sources that describe how it works (avionics wise, how to use it) in the jet then?

[Raptor]

@I-Hawk:

there are no public documents with detailed L-16 info.

Well, MLU M1 / M2 / M3 tape manuals are out there quite some years now, and M3 has everything one might need to start.

[I-Hawk]

@Raptor:

Well, MLU M1 / M2 / M3 tape manuals are out there quite some years now, and M3 has everything one might need to start.

Yes well, I guess I just forgot the M3

So I have no more excuses :mrgreen:

But TBH I’m taking a kinda change in direction now, trying to do something different than avionics (but not less important!), but I’ll start to look at the stuff slowly, it’ll take sometime anyway

[Dee-Jay]

Many ppl are requesting L16 implementation, but most of them do even not know how to share a mark point with their wingmen with current IDM

[Blu3wolf]

@Dee-Jay:

Many ppl are requesting L16 implementation, but most of them do even not know how to share a mark point with their wingmen with current IDM

Well sure, but thats a bad metric… most of them do not know how to share a contact with the L16 MIDS either.

[I-Hawk]

@Dee-Jay:

Many ppl are requesting L16 implementation, but most of them do even not know how to share a mark point with their wingmen with current IDM

@Blu3wolf:

Well sure, but thats a bad metric… most of them do not know how to share a contact with the L16 MIDS either.

ufff…

/me going back to RTFM :mrgreen:

But seriously speaking, yes I can understand exactly why L-16 is needed, it’s so much better to manage AIM-120 shots for example when you know which targets already fired upon by your flight…