Munitions Handbook
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Have you looked through the -34 pdf that covers all the weapons and avionics under the documents folder?
This is also this nifty breakdown of all the block/versions https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xRnt0wLXdA34n84OJitRjEFnCEBUlBrmGle9XyE11p0/edit?pref=2&pli=1#gid=1970623854
There is a column for AA and AG weapons based on which block/version.
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You chart is partially useful, but the -34 pdf is not. Or at least, I can’t find in that document the differences between the various GBU or CBU versions.
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Ehm… thanks but I already know f-16.net and Wikipedia.
Ok, let’s try to come to a conclusion:1- can I assume that a (single) document containing a comprehensive and updated version of the ordnance database simply doesn’t exist (for now)?
2- is there something like a list of “trusted” sites or online references (like Wikipedia itself) so that if I don’t know the specs of a certain weapon I can go there, and know that what I read is what I find in BMS?
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I don’t know of any public form.
The devs may have some kind of file they used during the production of 4.33.
I don’t know how close to reality each weapon is in terms of its specs in BMS.
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Ok, but assuming that BMS devs aren’t pilots, ground crew, aeronautical or weapon engineers, for them WHAT is the reality?
This: www.wikipedia.com
This: www.f-16.net
This: fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/index.html
…or something else?
I agree that there must be some reference, but if they don’t provide a specific documentation for the ordnance (like the manuals they have done for avionics, procedures, navigation, etc) they should at least share with us the references they used. -
I-Hawk helped with the mavericks he is probably the best person to talk to.
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You will find that each source is a little different. BMS lies somewhere in the middle and changes as the program evolves. There is an old source that has good basic info called Realism Patch 5 Manual. Another is Called Tactical Reference for Falcon 4.0. Mower posted a link to it in this forum somewhere a while back.
Link to Tactical Reference for Falcon 4.0
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At this point I see no alternatives execpt making by myself a table with the basic specs of every bomb model. The problem is the source. Let’s say that for LGBs I need the following informations: model’s name, weight of the warhead and its type (general purpose/penetration); for the CBUs I need: model’s name and submunition type. Do you think that those information, if taken from TacRef 2.0, are still valid for BMS 4.33?
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I believe so.
Also all GBU’s are dumb bombs with brains/fins. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General-purpose_bomb#Modern_American_GP_bombs:_the_Mark_80_series
So their specs should be the same.
Dumb Mk 80 bombs could be converted to smart bombs with attached kits:
GBU-12D Paveway II (Mk 82) laser guided.
GBU-16B Paveway II (Mk 83) laser guided.
GBU-24B Paveway III (Mk 84) laser guided.
GBU-38 JDAM (Mk 82) INS/GPS guided.
GBU-32 JDAM (Mk 83) INS/GPS guided.
GBU-31 JDAM (Mk 84) INS/GPS guided.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GBU-10_Paveway_II
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paveway
The Paveway series of bombs includes:
GBU-10 Paveway II – Mk 84 or BLU-109 2,000 lb (907 kg) bomb
GBU-12 Paveway II – Mk 82 500 lb (227 kg) bomb
GBU-16 Paveway II – Mk 83 1,000 lb (454 kg) bomb
GBU-58 Paveway II – Mk 81 250 lb (113.4 kg) bomb
GBU-22 Paveway III – Mk 82 500 lb (227 kg) bomb. Developed at the same time as GBU-24, with some limited export success, but was not adopted by USA as it was felt to be too small a warhead for the desired effects at the time.
GBU-24 Paveway III – Mk 84/BLU-109 2,000 lb (907 kg) class bomb
GBU-27 Paveway III – BLU-109 2,000 lb (907 kg) bomb with penetration warhead, specially designed for F-117 because the large fins of GBU-24 couldn’t fit into the bomb bay of F-117.
GBU-28 Paveway III – During the Gulf War, the deepest and most hardened Iraqi bunkers could not be defeated by the BLU-109/B penetrator warhead, so a much more powerful “bunker buster” GBU-28 was developed. The latest warhead used in the GBU-28/B series is the BLU-122/B, a development of earlier BLU-113 on early GBU-28s.
Paveway IV – 500 lb (227 kg) bomb
GBU-48 Enhanced Paveway II – Mk 83 1,000 lb (454 kg) bomb. Raytheon’s Enhanced dual-mode GPS and Laser guided version of the laser-only GBU-16.
GBU-49 Enhanced Paveway II – BLU-133 500 lb (227 kg) bomb. Raytheon’s Enhanced dual-mode GPS and Laser guided version of the laser-only GBU-12.
GBU-50 Enhanced Paveway II – Mk 84 or BLU-109 2,000 lb (907 kg) bomb. Raytheon’s Enhanced dual-mode GPS and Laser guided version of the laser-only GBU-10.
GBU-59 Enhanced Paveway II – Mk 81 250 lb (113.4 kg) bomb. Raytheon’s Enhanced dual-mode GPS and Laser guided version of the laser-only GBU-58.
Although GBU-48 etc. are the formal designation for the versions with GPS/INS, they are widely referred to as EGBU-16 etc. (“Enhanced GBU-16”).[1] -
Also just looked in BMS 4.33 and see where it is miss labeled in the loadout screen.
GBU 10 C/B is the deep pen with the BLU.
GBU 10 I/B appears to be just the Mk 84. It might have been labeled G/B for gen purpose. In the Tac ref in game there is no info for the I/B version. Only the C/B which clearly states that it is the BLU version.
I don’t have 4.32 or F4 installed so I can check to see whether this is an error from a previous version or was a mistake in 4.33.
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You reviewed the added manuals in the 4.33 install?
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I couldn’t find the difference between the GBU 24 /B and GBU 24 A/B. Then I found this. I hope this helps someone out.
http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/app5/paveway-3.html
