Ramp Start Questions
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Thanks for that. I have a lot to learn. Sadly, I don’t have the time to learn BMS or the Viper to the fullest, so ‘it’ll do’ is the approach I’m giving it so far until I’ve been able to put the time in to learn it more detailed. Also, as much as I wish I had what it takes to be a fighter pilot, I’m not flying BMS as if I’m doing it for real. I’m taking a much more casual approach, but do enjoy playing with the different systems that the Viper employs.
Do you fly the real thing? You seem to know the the inside out and I’ve always gotten the impression that you fly them for real.
Yes I do.
I post a lot at the 8th VFW and those dudes are pretty full up on realism. I forget that not everyone wants that level. I do try to provide the best answer I can provide so if people want to learn something they can and so it helps the BMS devs.
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Yes I do.
I post a lot at the 8th VFW and those dudes are pretty full up on realism. I forget that not everyone wants that level. I do try to provide the best answer I can provide so if people want to learn something they can and so it helps the BMS devs.
I mean no disrespect, and it awesomely cool that we have a few Viper pilots on these forums. I just don’t have time to sit down and properly practice and train. I’d love to, but realistically I just want to have fun and play around with all the switches I’ve always wondered how BMS devs have such detailed access to the avionics. I’ve always wondered how close to the real thing F4 is over the years. Comparing BMS to a real block 40 or 50, how close are we in terms of FM and avionics (classified stuff aside)?
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If you want to talk about that item amongst others, which is quite off-topic here if you want my opinion, I read this part of BMS-Training again and found I wasn’t using EPU/GEN, which I would like to implement in my everyday rampstart; thank you for mentioning that. You quote a sentence containing “very very bad”, which is not very specific - something I find particularly irritating when I’m at work, but that’s not where I am. I have my own BMS-Training quote every time I (used to) run (wrong) this EPU test, which is:
indeed, EPU testing is part of the ramp start.
But during EPU test, we don’t fire the EPU it stays in NORM. As i understand, the confusion comes from the right click, left click issues, and the stupid switch guard behaviour in the code - So a mistake totally understandable.
(to me a switchguard in the code should have it’s own mouse click)As for PFLs during ramps, it’s (to me) pretty normal to have faults reported as systems are booting up or going through bits.
As Leech said, the bms team induced some eyecandy PFL during ramps for obvious reasons (a constantly black PFD isn’t quite realistic either)
and none of these faults are sticking at the end of the ramp, when you’re ready to taxi, your pfd should be blank and no faults reported.
this is the case, when you do the ramp as per dash1 & training manual instructions -
I repeat what I’ve read but the real F-16 apparently has software to suppress these “routine errors” when starting as systems come online so you don’t start in Christmas tree mode. It makes perfect sense to generate all these warnings about systems that aren’t online yet. That wouldn’t depend on the last flight.
[…] IFF will naturally appear as a fault as the IFF system itself cannot be turned on in BMS.
If a system isn’t on, it’s not going to generate an error. That’s why it does depend on the last flight. That’s why these IFF errors also technically shouldn’t be there since we don’t have IFF in BMS / it’s turned off.
Not true.
Guess it differs per block then…
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If a system isn’t on, it’s not going to generate an error.
disagree
systems needs to boot, warm, bit. so they are powered up but aren’t serviceable. during that time it is normal to see fault messages generated -
If a system is OFF it’s usually not booting/warming up/BITing ?
IFF OFF -> no MFL. IFF STBY -> MFLs (if any)
FCR OFF -> no MFL. FCR ON -> MFLs (if any)
EGI OFF -> no MFL. EGI NORM -> MFLs (if any).My experience anyway.
Doesn’t bother me how it is in BMS, I’m just adding my 2 cents for anyone interested.
For now I’ll go back to enjoying the sim and flying.
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Let’s clear this up. If the avionics are not ON, you will NOT get a PFL/MFL. Here’s a perfect example: ALR-69 on the jet… Nothing gets thrown about the ALE-47 not being able to talk to it until you turn on the ALE-47 at which points you’ll get a CMDS DEGR. When you turn on a system it will BIT itself and then throw a PFL/MFL. In a perfectly working jet you will NOT just get random PFLs. If PFLs are being thrown it’s because there is a reason. Now some of these issues might be simple things like the CMDS DEGR or HTS KEYS FAIL because the crypto keys for the HTS pod aren’t loaded or someone zeroized the IFF keys so you need to call maintainenace and get an “IFF kick”. But a jet that is well-maintained should not just throw out PFLs because the jet is being started.
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