Meaning of (key mike) and 'hold short'?
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Could someone please tell me what (key mike) is meaning and when it is used?
Same for ‘hold short’, when is it getting used, what does it mean and why does the ATC tell me that and what have i to do when i hear that?…
thanks in advance
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Key Mike means a push on the key that controls a microphone. Stephen Coonts teaches us it can be used or was used as a Roger or copy when used twice. Not sure here.
Hold short, as far as I understand, means that you are not cleared for take off, but allowed to taxiway and wait for you turn in position.
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ok thanks
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it can be used or was used as a Roger or copy when used twice. Not sure here.
I’ve heard conflicting information, so I’m not sure if this is correct, but the most complete (not necessarily correct) explanation I found stated it as:
1 click: “Affirmative”
2 clicks: “Negative”
3 clicks: “Say again”Perhaps some people in the know can confirm whether or not this is correct?
“Hold short” is used to stop and wait at a holding point. ICAO DOC 4444 describes the phraseology as follows:
The chapter referred to there, refers in turn to ICAO Annex 14 itself, which has the following information:
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But in 4.32, i don’t know if it’s the same in 4.33 my pilot always said (key mike) when i released training bombs, what is it with that?
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Despite the risk of being a bit too picky here (for Falcon):
The term “hold short” is to be understood as “hold short of [location]”, so “STOP before [location]”. It does not include any clearance, neither a taxi clearance nor a takeoff clearance - rather on the contrary actually.
Let’s suppose you request your taxi clearance from the air traffic controller (ATC) and he or she instructs you: “Viper 1-1, you are cleared to taxi to runway 25 via Mike, Oscar, Tango and Golf, hold short of Charlie.”
This means you are allowed to taxi to runway 25 via the given taxiways Mike, Oscar, Tango and Golf, but with a restriction. Let’s say taxiway Tango is crossed by Taxiway Charlie, so you have an intersection of the two. Taxiing on Tango, you then have to stop before Charlie and wait until ATC clears you to “continue taxi”. Under no circumstance are you allowed to taxi on on your own. You have to get cleared first. The reason could be another aircraft on Charlie and ATC wants you to give way to this aircraft for example.
Same with runways. Nobody is allowed to taxi onto or cross an active runway without having a clearance to do so. So if you arrive at runway 25, you “hold short” (of runway 25) and wait in line until ATC specifically allows you to either line up on the runway (not a takeoff clearance!) or clears you for takeoff. The hold short position is marked by a big yellow line right across the whole taxiway. Never cross that line without a clearance.
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Despite the risk of being a bit too picky here (for Falcon):
The term “hold short” is to be understood as “hold short of [location]”, so “STOP before [location]”. It does not include any clearance, neither a taxi clearance nor a takeoff clearance - rather on the contrary actually.
Let’s suppose you request your taxi clearance from the air traffic controller (ATC) and he or she instructs you: “Viper 1-1, you are cleared to taxi to runway 25 via Mike, Oscar, Tango and Golf, hold short of Charlie.”
This means you are allowed to taxi to runway 25 via the given taxiways Mike, Oscar, Tango and Golf, but with a restriction. Let’s say taxiway Tango is crossed by Taxiway Charlie, so you have an intersection of the two. Taxiing on Tango, you then have to stop before Charlie and wait until ATC clears you to “continue taxi”. Under no circumstance are you allowed to taxi on on your own. You have to get cleared first. The reason could be another aircraft on Charlie and ATC wants you to give way to this aircraft for example.
Same with runways. Nobody is allowed to taxi onto or cross an active runway without having a clearance to do so. So if you arrive at runway 25, you “hold short” (of runway 25) and wait in line until ATC specifically allows you to either line up on the runway (not a takeoff clearance!) or clears you for takeoff. The hold short position is marked by a big yellow line right across the whole taxiway. Never cross that line without a clearance.
I totally understand, Tonga, I was refering to this sentence in the context I hear in the game, as I’m never given a “hold short” without a clearance first. I assumed the question refered to the same context. Of course, if I cross a lady’s path in the street and she tells me “hold short” (from me), I know I still won’t be allowed to take her clothes off while not touching her skin, to be metaphoric :).
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I totally understand, Tonga, I was refering to this sentence in the context I hear in the game, as I’m never given a “hold short” without a clearance first. I assumed the question refered to the same context. Of course, if I cross a lady’s path in the street and she tells me “hold short” (from me), I know I still won’t be allowed to take her clothes off while not touching her skin, to be metaphoric :).
Ha,
Funny analogy. In bms, the ATC in general is a bit off. It will give you clearance to taxi, then to “hold short”. It should be edited to say just “hold short” if you are not cleared to taxi yet when you request clearance (due to traffic or other conditions). As Tonga mentions, ATC ground should give more specified clearance across certain taxi ways during busy air operations (i.e. traffic). But at present, bms does not do that. Perhaps in time. If you do a search, there are a few threads on ATC operations in bms. I think it requires an AI re-write to allow for this kind of operations.
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I’ve heard conflicting information, so I’m not sure if this is correct, but the most complete (not necessarily correct) explanation I found stated it as:
1 click: “Affirmative”
2 clicks: “Negative”
3 clicks: “Say again”Perhaps some people in the know can confirm whether or not this is correct?
“Hold short” is used to stop and wait at a holding point. ICAO DOC 4444 describes the phraseology as follows:
The chapter referred to there, refers in turn to ICAO Annex 14 itself, which has the following information:
In Viper Pilot, “zippering the mike” is mentioned several times. In context it seemed a way to acknowledge a transmission without speaking.
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I don’t know this site, but it indeed tends to confirm what we think.
http://www.f-16.net/glossary-Z.html -
I’ve heard conflicting information, so I’m not sure if this is correct, but the most complete (not necessarily correct) explanation I found stated it as:
1 click: “Affirmative”
2 clicks: “Negative”
3 clicks: “Say again”In the U.S., two clicks is basically “roger” in informal usage, ATC won’t allow it as an official communication.
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Not only the U.S., in Europe too. It depends on the habits of the local Airport / Flight Club
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When I used to call in CAS a million years ago… (ANGLICO) The pilots often doubled clicked the mic button when they were in their Pop up. They would say Wings Level and our response was to clear them “Cleared Hot”. This was to make sure they weren’t going to fly over friendlies in case they had a hung bomb. The Mic thing is just a quick response. Hold Short means you are cleared all the way up to the Runway and you have to hold short.