PC specs for Falcon BMS+ MFD Extractor

[BlackGio]

@PimpDaddyStalker:

I have not Oc’ed much. I have used SetFSB on an Intel Atom N270 to get it to play 1080 content

You can do it through BIOS, or through software such as SetFSB.

You may or may not need a new cooler. It just depends on what your specific chip will do and what you want from it, but you might. You can run 3rd party software to monitor temps - such as HWmonitor.

This guide should get you going.
http://www.overclockers.com/3-step-guide-overclock-core-i3-i5-i7/

Have fun

Ok, i’ll try with this tool. Thak you so mutch!

[BlackGio]

@PimpDaddyStalker:

I have not Oc’ed much. I have used SetFSB on an Intel Atom N270 to get it to play 1080 content

You can do it through BIOS, or through software such as SetFSB.

You may or may not need a new cooler. It just depends on what your specific chip will do and what you want from it, but you might. You can run 3rd party software to monitor temps - such as HWmonitor.

This guide should get you going.
http://www.overclockers.com/3-step-guide-overclock-core-i3-i5-i7/

Have fun

I’ve downloaded SETFSB V 2.2.134.98 first (FREEWARE version). My PLL (ICS9LRS954A4GLF) is not listed in the program! Searching in the web i found my mobo with another PLL (ICS9LPRS954BGLF). So i’ve tried it but it doesn’t work!
So i’ve downloaded a newest version of SETFSB, V 2.3.178.134 (SHAREWARE version!). Again My PLL is not listed, but i try again with PLL found on the web and this time it works! It shows me all frequences, BUT, because it’s a Sharewere version, i can’t overclock!!! My question is: why with first version the SAME PLL doesn’t work?? I won’t pay for unblock the tool and than discover that it’s impossible to set up my FSB.
Any ideas??

[Arty]

for overclocking I believe best is BIOS settings. New Mobos and specially versions for overclocking should use the manufacturers tools which do a great work.

For the CPU I believe you will be able to go to 3.8 depending if your cpu and mobo are unlocked and capable. For example my current cpu can go higher but my mobo can’t so I’m stack at where I am now.

About your VGA I would say 1GB for what you want to do is bellow specs. You can run a vga monitoring tool at the same time while u run falcon and afterwards see the numbers. IIRC GPUID has such monitoring capabilities… it writes a log file and you can see afterwards max. values and spot some bottlenecks.
Running at the same time a cpu monitoring with log capabilities you will be able to cross check both of them cpu and gpu usage.

Overclocking your CPU consider a good cooler for the CPU and in general inside the case to have a good flow of air. Low front an intake fan to blow cold air and top back an outtake fan to blow out the hot air from the case.

Go by steps one step at a time… if you are on 3.0Ghz take it to 3.1 then 3.2 then 3.3 then 3.4 and so on. In every step take the time and boot in the OS system and start some programs and observe behavior. Overclocking might slow down your system if not tuned up correctly, with some settings it might cause worst bottlenecks and have longer boot times for example even if your CPU runs faster.
When you overdo it at one step the system will tell you by experiencing a no boot - no post in bios (this is the worst case) or by having crashes or blue screens of death inside the OS or while running some progs. Then you step back one step. example if you where at 3.8Ghz and the system is not stable you go back to 3.6Ghz for example. Don’t forget to check the temps… Run a tool that will have the CPU at 100% and leave it for some hours running by checking the temps.

In case you get a no post in BIOS means you overclocked beyond the systems tolerance… and it will not boot at all like your computer just died. Don’t panic. Just locate the switch or jumper in your mobo and reset the bios. it will go to factory default settings and will boot again. In some cases for this to work you must change the position of the jumper and power on the pc… it will not do anything, (actually it does, it resets bios values, but you don’t see anything) power off the pc and put the jumper back to the correct position, now power up your pc.

There are many good guides out there how to perform overclocking on your CPU Motherboard combination. Read them , understand them and then start with small steps.

this is a good read: http://www.techreaction.net/2010/09/07/3-step-overclocking-guide-clarkdale/

here: http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/263091-29-overclocking-intel-safely one guy says he runs on air at 4.1 since day one.

So there is hope… for the CPU.

Also as for software give a try at GameBooster it will help you easily kill processes and services that take resources and are not needed to run at all or while you run Falcon so this helps on performance.

[BlackGio]

@Arty:

for overclocking I believe best is BIOS settings. New Mobos and specially versions for overclocking should use the manufacturers tools which do a great work.

For the CPU I believe you will be able to go to 3.8 depending if your cpu and mobo are unlocked and capable. For example my current cpu can go higher but my mobo can’t so I’m stack at where I am now.

About your VGA I would say 1GB for what you want to do is bellow specs. You can run a vga monitoring tool at the same time while u run falcon and afterwards see the numbers. IIRC GPUID has such monitoring capabilities… it writes a log file and you can see afterwards max. values and spot some bottlenecks.
Running at the same time a cpu monitoring with log capabilities you will be able to cross check both of them cpu and gpu usage.

Overclocking your CPU consider a good cooler for the CPU and in general inside the case to have a good flow of air. Low front an intake fan to blow cold air and top back an outtake fan to blow out the hot air from the case.

Go by steps one step at a time… if you are on 3.0Ghz take it to 3.1 then 3.2 then 3.3 then 3.4 and so on. In every step take the time and boot in the OS system and start some programs and observe behavior. Overclocking might slow down your system if not tuned up correctly, with some settings it might cause worst bottlenecks and have longer boot times for example even if your CPU runs faster.
When you overdo it at one step the system will tell you by experiencing a no boot - no post in bios (this is the worst case) or by having crashes or blue screens of death inside the OS or while running some progs. Then you step back one step. example if you where at 3.8Ghz and the system is not stable you go back to 3.6Ghz for example. Don’t forget to check the temps… Run a tool that will have the CPU at 100% and leave it for some hours running by checking the temps.

In case you get a no post in BIOS means you overclocked beyond the systems tolerance… and it will not boot at all like your computer just died. Don’t panic. Just locate the switch or jumper in your mobo and reset the bios. it will go to factory default settings and will boot again. In some cases for this to work you must change the position of the jumper and power on the pc… it will not do anything, (actually it does, it resets bios values, but you don’t see anything) power off the pc and put the jumper back to the correct position, now power up your pc.

There are many good guides out there how to perform overclocking on your CPU Motherboard combination. Read them , understand them and then start with small steps.

this is a good read: http://www.techreaction.net/2010/09/07/3-step-overclocking-guide-clarkdale/

here: http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/263091-29-overclocking-intel-safely one guy says he runs on air at 4.1 since day one.

So there is hope… for the CPU.

Also as for software give a try at GameBooster it will help you easily kill processes and services that take resources and are not needed to run at all or while you run Falcon so this helps on performance.

Ok i’ll give a try! Thank you so mutch Arty! As soon as i can i will post logs about CPU and GPU usage under BMS+MFDe!

[BlackGio]

Ok. I’ve made a test, running BMS with MFDe on and monitored GPU VRAM Usage: 925MB on flot line with medium/high activity, but maybe this value can be higher in a more complex scenario (more jets, ground units etc…)…
So… do you think i should try to overclock my CPU or simply change My GPU? What GPU do you suggest for BMS with MFDe? No matter other things, only good for BMS+MFDe.
Thanks

[BlackGio]

Well, sometimes i overshoot 1GB even if i run BMS on a single Monitor (without MFDe). I think i need a new GPU. What you suggest?

[PimpDaddyStalker]

@Arty:

for overclocking I believe best is BIOS settings.

This is true. BlackGio, I should have been more descriptive in my post telling you to use bios. That’s kinda why I had the guide link at the bottom. Miscommunication, sorry. The N270 I was referring to could only be oc’ed with SetFSB, and I was sharing my experience.

@Arty:

Go by steps one step at a time… if you are on 3.0Ghz take it to 3.1 then 3.2 then 3.3 then 3.4 and so on. In every step take the time and boot in the OS system and start some programs and observe behavior. Overclocking might slow down your system if not tuned up correctly, with some settings it might cause worst bottlenecks and have longer boot times for example even if your CPU runs faster.
When you overdo it at one step the system will tell you by experiencing a no boot - no post in bios (this is the worst case) or by having crashes or blue screens of death inside the OS or while running some progs. Then you step back one step. example if you where at 3.8Ghz and the system is not stable you go back to 3.6Ghz for example. Don’t forget to check the temps… Run a tool that will have the CPU at 100% and leave it for some hours running by checking the temps.

In case you get a no post in BIOS means you overclocked beyond the systems tolerance… and it will not boot at all like your computer just died. Don’t panic. Just locate the switch or jumper in your mobo and reset the bios. it will go to factory default settings and will boot again. In some cases for this to work you must change the position of the jumper and power on the pc… it will not do anything, (actually it does, it resets bios values, but you don’t see anything) power off the pc and put the jumper back to the correct position, now power up your pc.

There are many good guides out there how to perform overclocking on your CPU Motherboard combination. Read them , understand them and then start with small steps.

Good stuff, Arty.

You can also run memtest86 software or Prime95 type software to stress the computer, which test stability under the current settings or just play BMS for 24 hrs straight

[PimpDaddyStalker]

@BlackGio:

So… do you think i should try to overclock my CPU or simply change My GPU? What GPU do you suggest for BMS with MFDe? No matter other things, only good for BMS+MFDe.
Thanks

If it was me, I would OC the cpu first, to see what I would get and decide if I am happy with the results. If I was not, then I would consider new hardware. Might as well use what you got before opening up the wallet. As Arty said above, go slow, go in steps.

[Arty]

So you see the bottleneck is obvious…
for the GPU as much as your pocket can handle. Don’t go lower than 3gb of vram. Also consider the scenario you might want to go multi monitor like 2 or 3 monitors and MFDe…

In my case with such solutions mobile mostly for mfd’s and instruments, it goes down to 19 - 25 fps on TE’s imagine in a campaign… it will be worst.

I’m in your point actually, but waiting (3-4 weeks) for the new 4.33 version to see what goes on and then decide for my hardware upgrades…

I’m sure I will need it… I already do… In my case I don’t have the money for a decent upgrade and maybe will go for mobo cpu and ram upgrade. I would love a 4-6gb 980GTX overclocked but… too expensive. If the cpu mobo ram isn’t needed maybe I will go just for the vga but I fear my mobo pci express bandwidth will not be enough.

You can see my current specs in my sig. I have both CPU and GPU overclocked while falcon is on. I bought the cougar mfd’s and will try giguras solution that maybe will be better for my specs to just display the mfds.

So experiment with what you have and wait for 4.33’s baby cry…

[BlackGio]

Ok. 3-4 Falcon Weeks if i’m not wrong… XD thank you all for your answers and time!

[Stubbies2003]

If done reasonably OCing is a great way to get extra performance for free. I am also running with an Asus mobo that is more than a few years old and the BIOS has a built in OCing feature which works great. It set up an OC of my i7-2700k CPU to 4.4 GHz and it has run stably in this configuration for years now.

The two most important things to keep in mind when OCing are voltage and heat. Both are CPU killers if not managed within reason. Can you get a large stable OC at much higher voltages than stock? Sure. Will the CPU last any real length of time pushing a major OC? No it won’t. I would stay as close to stock voltage as you can.

I am also just running an air cool setup but I knew I was going to OC so I did my research and bought one of the best air coolers (at the time) that I did my upgrade many years ago. If you just have a stock air cooler that came with the CPU you can get a bit of an OC out of it but not as much as a good quality air cooler or if you wanted to a closed loop liquid cooler setup.

I am not one to mess around with GPU OCing as even getting stable OCs on GPUs doesn’t net much of a performance boost. Not as much as the CPU will gain you.

[Arty]

yeap GPU oveclocking is more dangerous than CPU. I never overclocked with moded firmwares or soldering or extra voltage… I have seen them live and they can do miracles but fine tuning and going stable is a pain in the ass…
So I always choose vga’s that there is a little room for software settings overclocking. Right now I take the core clock from 7xx to 900 and a notch on the vram all from the manufacturers software… the gain ain’t much but I find it stable and it keeps a low limit when the going gets tough.

What I enjoy most is the smoothness by using 3 monitors with SOFTH and not having to go as high as above 60 fps to be smooth, it’s smooth even in 20-25fps. LAst week I had my first EMF flight and I was surprised to see above 35fps. Maybe 60 or 90 or more is more smooth or even maybe and noticeable but I’m ok with what I have and it doesn’t make me say I need something else.

When I went from 1 monitor to 3 I said it… so I overclocked but my cpu coouldn’t get stable at the speed I needed. So I changed the CPU to less cores but higher speed and I gained. Also I upgraded my GPU and for long I enjoy 3 monitors on 5440x1200… which surprised me to tell you the truth that it can cope with it.

I would love and the display extraction but I need 2 more cores and maybe a better GPU… but the total on those nears or exceeds the 1.000 euros… which I don’t have to spare right now. And as MavJP says maybe I will also go for a new VGA first and then change mobo cpu and ram… the thing is my mobo is pci express x2 and new VGA’s are x3 … so the bottleneck will be there… we’ll see… it’s 3-4 weeks afterall… :lol:

[Stevie]

The slickest mod I’ve ever seen for multiple graphics cards (PNY in this case) was to slave then all to use the clock from a “master” single card - this keep all of the frames/rates of multiple projectors in dead-solid synch.

I’m new to the PC world of things, so I have no idea if this is what things like Cross-Fire or SLI do…school me!