Mavericks LOS question
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Perhaps this has been answered before, but I didnt found it.
In spite of its advantages, I dont like to use the TGP when attacking with Mavs, because the boresighting process is for me too embarrasing and more of the times unsuccsesfull, so I use only the WPN video MFD page to find and lock targets.-
I thought that misalignment happened only between the TGP and the missile seaker LOS, but in my case it happens also when using the WPN display. The LOS circle at the HUD doesnt match what I see at the display
If I visually slew the HUD LOS circle over a target, it doesn show at the display in the same place, and I must find it searching over the whole screen in order to lock it.-
Does it works that way at RL ?
It is strange, as there is not a misalignment angle problem due to two diferent sensor positions, being the only one, the WPN display should show exactly what the missile seaker looks at.- -
The WPN display does show exactly what the missile seeker looks at, every single time.
The HUD cue on the other hand, is a best guess by the MMC as to where the missile seeker is looking, based on the assumption that its looking where it was pointed. Due to the mounting process leaving some alignment error between the front of the jet and the front of the missile, this is not a safe assumption.
There is an easy fix for this, which is to boresight each weapon station. If you dont do this, you will have to ignore the HUD LOS cue, and just go by the WPN page display.
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+1. There is no escape from boresighting MAVs…if you actually want to employ them!
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The WPN display does show exactly what the missile seeker looks at, every single time.
The HUD cue on the other hand, is a best guess by the MMC as to where the missile seeker is looking, based on the assumption that its looking where it was pointed. Due to the mounting process leaving some alignment error between the front of the jet and the front of the missile, this is not a safe assumption.
There is an easy fix for this, which is to boresight each weapon station. If you dont do this, you will have to ignore the HUD LOS cue, and just go by the WPN page display.
Thats a very clear explanation
Is really strange that in a weapons system so sophisticated as the F16, such archaic procedure as boresighting in flight using ground references should be done in order to the Mavericks being employed accurately -
Thats a very clear explanation
Is really strange that in a weapons system so sophisticated as the F16, such archaic procedure as boresighting in flight using ground references should be done in order to the Mavericks being employed accuratelyNot so “archaic” as you might think. There are a number of other boresights that are performed on modern fighters in RL that just plain aren’t even modeled…one of the more difficult ones being lining up FLIR video in the HUD with the outside world. Boresighting MAVs is trivial compared to that.
May the bridges I burn light the way
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Aligning FLIR video with the world in the HUD is implemented.
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Not so “archaic” as you might think. There are a number of other boresights that are performed on modern fighters in RL that just plain aren’t even modeled…one of the more difficult ones being lining up FLIR video in the HUD with the outside world. Boresighting MAVs is trivial compared to that.
You should fly a block 40 sometime!
You dont have to boresight Mavs. You can just use them in BORE mode.
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Boresigthing Mavs in ground is a good option, I tried it but I couldnt obtain a point lock at the objects I tried with . Has anybody succeed in it ?
Which procedure is done in RL, in ground or once at flight ?
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You should fly a block 40 sometime!
You dont have to boresight Mavs. You can just use them in BORE mode.
It can carry D and G models, do you mean using only B ?
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No, I mean only using the BORE mode rather than PRE or VIS.
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No, I mean only using the BORE mode rather than PRE or VIS.
Yes, I noticed that bore mode matches more precisely the Hud cue with the Wpn display.-
I didnt understand your reference to the block 40 -
Stevie asserted that FLIR boresight is not implemented in BMS, and the Block 40 and 42 are two examples of jets equipped with it, featured in BMS, which have such a boresight requirement.
For the record? Not that hard, either.
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Boresigthing Mavs in ground is a good option, I tried it but I couldnt obtain a point lock at the objects I tried with . Has anybody succeed in it ?
Which procedure is done in RL, when in ground or once at flight ?
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Stevie asserted that FLIR boresight is not implemented in BMS, and the Block 40 and 42 are two examples of jets equipped with it, featured in BMS, which have such a boresight requirement.
For the record? Not that hard, either.
…that’s actually good to hear. Not that I ever plan to fly those.
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Boresigthing Mavs in ground is a good option, I tried it but I couldnt obtain a point lock at the objects I tried with . Has anybody succeed in it ?
Which procedure is done in RL, when in ground or once at flight ?
ThanksYes, tho only with the ‘G’'s. I’ve had no luck with the 'D’s even using the same target on the ground. Maybe I just got lucky and the KF-16-32 doesn’t like the ‘D’ mav.
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Boresighting Mavs on the ground (in BMS) is just a waste of time, even if you can find something you can point track.
It is so much easier and quicker to do this once you are airborne. Once you are competent you can easily boresight all stations without even deviating from your flightpath, either just after takeoff before you climb to cruising altitude, or at some point along your route if it’s more convenient to do it later.
Like so many other tasks, practise makes it easier and quicker to do.
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Boresighting Mavs on the ground (in BMS) is just a waste of time, even if you can find something you can point track.
It is so much easier and quicker to do this once you are airborne. Once you are competent you can easily boresight all stations without even deviating from your flightpath, either just after takeoff before you climb to cruising altitude, or at some point along your route if it’s more convenient to do it later.
Like so many other tasks, practise makes it easier and quicker to do.
Do the mav D’s require the laser ? I simply cannot get them boresighted on ground or inflight no matter what I do.
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The only difference in BMS as far as boresighting is concerned is that the D model has dome covers, which you need to remove with UNCAGE. Assuming you’ve done that I can’t think of any other reason why you would struggle with D’s but not with G’s.
From p165 of the TO BMS1-F16CM-34-1-1
The AGM-65 boresight procedure may only be performed on the ground if the missiles do not have dome covers installed. If dome covers are present, the procedure must be done while airborne.
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The only difference in BMS as far as boresighting is concerned is that the D model has dome covers, which you need to remove with UNCAGE. Assuming you’ve done that I can’t think of any other reason why you would struggle with D’s but not with G’s.
From p165 of the TO BMS1-F16CM-34-1-1
*shrug
Me either, but the G’s boresight fine, even on the ground. I haven’t tried a single weapon tho, my failures all occur with the triple rack, and all on the same A/C. -
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Me either, but the G’s boresight fine, even on the ground. I haven’t tried a single weapon tho, my failures all occur with the triple rack, and all on the same A/C.Which kind of object do you “point” with TGP on the ground when boresighting ?
In my case I can only get “area” which seems not to be enough for completing boresight.-
