Fa 18 Hornet Stall Recovery?

[lg01]

Any Falcon BMS veterans out there know how to recover from a deep stall in any of the fa 18 Hornet models?
I perform normal stall recovery procedure as per f16, not getting anywhere in the fa18 though?

[Drillin]

Throw the gear out and it will right itself just remember to retract before 250 knts

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[Agave_Blue]

@Drillin:

Throw the gear out and it will right itself just remember to retract before 250 knts

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I looked in NATOPs and must have missed this little tidbit.

[cptmtge]

engage autopilot

[Stevie]

If the flight model is anywhere near correct, all you should have to do is let go of the stick…with enough altitude. Actually, if the flight model is anywhere near correct you shouldn’t be able to actually get into a deep stall in the manner you’d get into one in a Viper…and in fact, lowering the gear would only make it worse IF you could manage to get into that condition in the first place.

Read the NATOPS…and hope the flight model is actually correct. If not, pull the yellow handle.

[Agave_Blue]

@Stevie:

…. Actually, if the flight model is anywhere near correct you shouldn’t be able to actually get into a deep stall in the manner you’d get into one in a Viper…

I have not managed to stall the BMS F/A-18C in the same way the Viper can be deep stalled, despite numerous opportunities and unintended attempts.

[Stevie]

Yes. The airplane should be very departure and/or stall resistant…the Legacy one so, and the Super even more so.

[Drillin]

The bms f18 will go into a ‘falling leaf’ in BMS, quickest way to recover is to drop the gear and let the nose fall. And no im assuming thats not in the NATOPS smartass

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[Mav-jp]

Normally It should not DS…

[Moxy]

Normally It should not DS…

It’s fairly easy to deep stall the hornet in BMS, I’ve done it bunch 'o times. I’d imagine that there are some conditions (loadout, fuel wieght, speed, altitude and the most likely one - roll rate) you have to “have” to stall it, but never the less it’s easy to stall that bird. Didn’t know the thing about the gear, would be very helpfull if it works.

[Stevie]

@Moxy:

It’s fairly easy to deep stall the hornet in BMS, I’ve done it bunch 'o times. I’d imagine that there are some conditions (loadout, fuel wieght, speed, altitude and the most likely one - roll rate) you have to “have” to stall it, but never the less it’s easy to stall that bird. Didn’t know the thing about the gear, would be very helpfull if it works.

…that’s unfortunate, but it does point out one more reason for my disinterest.

[Agave_Blue]

@Stevie:

…that’s unfortunate, but it does point out one more reason for my disinterest.

Why unfortunate? It’s well known that departures are possible:

@NATOPs:

The F/A−18 exhibits two Falling Leaf modes (upright and inverted), and four spin modes (three
upright and one inverted.) The most common out of control flight mode encountered is the Falling
Leaf. ….

11.2.2.1 F/A−18 Departure Prone Flight Regions. … The following maneuvers and conditions may result in a departure:

…

I suspect that departures described in this thread are more in line with NATOPs departure modes than with F16 departure modes. As Mav-JP says (and who should know better), “Normally It should not DS.”

You should try it and make a determination for yourself instead of relying on the understanding and descriptions of others (which may vary in knowledge from your own).

[Stevie]

…actually, no, they aren’t. The “falling leaf” may be close to the mode, but the entry doesn’t sound right. And the thing about throwing the gear down is totally out to lunch.

So there’s work to be done.

[Agave_Blue]

@Stevie:

…actually, no, they aren’t. The “falling leaf” may be close to the mode, but the entry doesn’t sound right. …

Oh. I think I missed it. Would you outline the entry in to a ‘falling leaf’ in BMS in the C-model Hornet? How do I do it? I’ll give it a try (without throwing the gear out …. ).

I’ve only gotten Low Yaw Rate Spin departures in BMS. Usually by prolonged control inputs at high AoA during which I lose pitch authority … which oddly is what NATOPs says can/should happen.

[Mav-jp]

@Stevie:

…actually, no, they aren’t. The “falling leaf” may be close to the mode, but the entry doesn’t sound right. And the thing about throwing the gear down is totally out to lunch.

So there’s work to be done.

And work has been done……see in 3 to 4 weeks

Btw Steevie, since day 1 you jump on every f18 thread to say f18 in BMS is shit .

I think everyone here got your point. Why don’t you leave people enjoying it ?, keep away from f18 threads please it starts to be annoying…

[Drillin]

All the OP asked was the easiest way to recover from a falling leaf style departure, im sure everyones well aware that in a RL hornet you do not throw the gear out, however IN BMS that is the quickest way to do it as it stands right now. The Dev Team has gone a long way to try and remedy things that some seem to forget we didnt even have a year ago, so lets show some respect instead of bashing it at every turn. I and our entire squadron thoroughly enjoys the hornet and appreciate the extra time Mav in particular has put into it, the old saying goes if you dont have anything nice to say keep it to yourself.

[cptmtge]

yank the nose up quickly and you will stall in an F18

[Mav-jp]

@cptmtge:

yank the nose up quickly and you will stall in an F18

There is a difference between a stall and a deep stall (leaf stall)

[Arty]

Oh dear I have a vision…

I see numbers… in blur… I see matrix of numbers… I see charts with mach and alt and something about gravity and center… but still blur…

:lol:

[Fox3TwoShip]

Damn this is too much Hornet talk for me… I thought this was a Viper sim…