Seriously impressed!
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When was I yelling?
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First, Dm, welcome to BMS. When I read this part of your first post I thought to myself I understand why youâre frustrated. I have found BMS the best combat sim I have ever flown. But, real pilots donât fly without a lot of training, and neither do we. I think you mentioned spending 5 hours on set up? Well, it took me too weeks to get everything up and running. Then, on my first mission the jet wouldnât move because I didnât know the brake âreverseâ button in set up has to be clicked!
So, I feel your pain. But, if you take the time and have the patience you will be rewarded. -
One of the best trolling post for ages
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Last rant, but not last post, I hope.
Iâm not completely silent. If needed, most likely will be a need for, I ask questions about what I canât figure out by myself
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First, Dm, welcome to BMS. When I read this part of your first post I thought to myself I understand why youâre frustrated. I have found BMS the best combat sim I have ever flown. But, real pilots donât fly without a lot of training, and neither do we. I think you mentioned spending 5 hours on set up? Well, it took me too weeks to get everything up and running. Then, on my first mission the jet wouldnât move because I didnât know the brake âreverseâ button in set up has to be clicked!
So, I feel your pain. But, if you take the time and have the patience you will be rewarded.The 5 hours was not set up in the sim, that time was spent getting the right program (torrent) to allow me to download the program, unzipping, install, and a host of other things. Plus the restarts required to get everything set. So no, the 5 hours mentioned was not setting up within the sim, sorry I didnât clarify.
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I can understand your frustration, I had plenty of it when I started trying to setup bms, it can be difficult! I had a lot of issues with the keyfiles and such things, but a bit of time reading here and learning settings, I have it running ok these days. Good luck
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I completely sympathize with the annoyance of initial BMS setup. It is a royal pain in the butt. I wish everyone who was interested in BMS could sit down at a computer with a complete setup so they could discover what the post-setup BMS experience is. That should give either the motivation to endure the process of setting up their computer to use BMS or save them the time if they donât like the experience. Out of the box BMS is practically a pile of parts instead of a working whole. They can be assembled but it takes an investment of time and effort. I wish it wasnât so but thatâs just how 18 year old software utilized on a wide variety of hardware for a wide variety of user preferences is.
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The 5 hours was not set up in the sim, that time was spent getting the right program (torrent) to allow me to download the program, unzipping, install, and a host of other things. Plus the restarts required to get everything set. So no, the 5 hours mentioned was not setting up within the sim, sorry I didnât clarify.
So youâve not spent any time setting up the sim yet. Expect 2-3 hours, depending on your setup or desires. Itâll get easier once you get used to where things are located in BMS.
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I completely sympathize with the annoyance of initial BMS setup. It is a royal pain in the butt. I wish everyone who was interested in BMS could sit down at a computer with a complete setup so they could discover what the post-setup BMS experience is. That should give either the motivation to endure the process of setting up their computer to use BMS or save them the time if they donât like the experience. Out of the box BMS is practically a pile of parts instead of a working whole. They can be assembled but it takes an investment of time and effort. I wish it wasnât so but thatâs just how 18 year old software utilized on a wide variety of hardware for a wide variety of user preferences is.
I understand the frustration someone can get with âthe dance,â but surely, someone does not jump from Ace Combat to BMS? The people who find out about BMS through the ânormalâ channels come from other sims, where setting up of controls is already part of the process? There will be the odd one or two that find a YouTube video and explore what BMS is about, but the OP is not one of those as he has come from AF. Surely he has had to set up his controls in AF? Maybe less so than what you need to set up in BMS (ie, DTC, MFDs, etc.) but there is a setup process nonetheless.
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I completely sympathize with the annoyance of initial BMS setup. It is a royal pain in the butt. I wish everyone who was interested in BMS could sit down at a computer with a complete setup so they could discover what the post-setup BMS experience is. That should give either the motivation to endure the process of setting up their computer to use BMS or save them the time if they donât like the experience. Out of the box BMS is practically a pile of parts instead of a working whole. They can be assembled but it takes an investment of time and effort. I wish it wasnât so but thatâs just how 18 year old software utilized on a wide variety of hardware for a wide variety of user preferences is.
Understandable. Sadly, the UI in particular does feel old now, but itâs all Iâve ever known. Falconâs UI has had many facelifts over the years but it is on the same old framework. Itâs what weâre used to and love
I donât think the Falcon dance these days is difficult at all - BMS 4.x is the easiest Falcon dance Iâve ever known, and I remeber the days of installing Falcon 4, 10.8, SP4, BMS1.03 etc, testing it at each stage, running F4Patch with the right settings. CTDs were a frequent thing.
BMS4.33 is very easy to set up relative to the past, but I do agree that it would be frustrating to a new user compared to a âmodernâ sim. By modern, I mean the likes of DCS where it has been written from the ground up within the last 10 years. Falcon, is pushing nearly 20, and lets not forget BMS is 100% free. Whilst Iâve been in and out of Falcon for the last 10 years, often with very large gaps with it not even being installed (5 or 6 years was the record! ) it is still familiar to me so I have an advantage over newbies, granted. The new folder structure has improved things massively also. WDP and third party apps are a two sided coin to me. Now, I couldnât really be without them, but it does introduce even more to learn. It makes things harder and more overwhelming at first but makes flight planning and mission building easier once youâre comfortable with it.
I feel bad for being so condescending to the OP earlier in this thread. I honestly thought you were just being troll or just very disrespectful but now we have more information
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Falcon BMS 4.3x is hard for newcomers?
Perhaps.
But do not mix bad design with complexity. Falcon BMS 4.3x is IMHO well designed, but it is also very complex. I donât see DCS or IL-2 BoS (haha!) or IL-2 CloD (hahaha!) as better designed. Of course, DCS A-10C is running fine out-of-the-box but only if you are Thrustmaster Warthog owner. If you want to fly Mustang or Frogfoot or other AC and/or you do not own TW then you have to spend some time for set it for yourself.
If you donât like to edit DTC for yourself or play with weather maps or do any other BMS exclusives then stay with Falcon 4.0 or Allied Force or whatever you like. But if you want to invest some time on tuning then stay here and ask for help if you need some. For sure you will get the answers.
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I completely sympathize with the annoyance of initial BMS setup. It is a royal pain in the butt. I wish everyone who was interested in BMS could sit down at a computer with a complete setup so they could discover what the post-setup BMS experience is. That should give either the motivation to endure the process of setting up their computer to use BMS or save them the time if they donât like the experience. Out of the box BMS is practically a pile of parts instead of a working whole. They can be assembled but it takes an investment of time and effort. I wish it wasnât so but thatâs just how 18 year old software utilized on a wide variety of hardware for a wide variety of user preferences is.
Sorry but I disagree entirely
With the exception of people having a real cockpit to interface with , I donât think BMS setup needs anything special
It is ready to use out of the box. I install fresh BMS nearly every month for obvious development purpose , here is what I need to do
- put -nomovie in shortcut
- select proper GfX resolution
- select multisampling 2
- select joystick
- assign correctly antenna , range , micro stick axis
- set up AB threshold
- apply reverse antenna axis
- shut down UI music
- click mouse to pan view
- use TIR Z axis
Launch cougar profile 100% set up in DX with only real functions assigned
Enjoy BMS
It takes me less than 5 minutes from installation complete and fully ready to fly
How hard is that ?
There are so many sims out there that need addons for everything , aircrafts , maps , campaigns etc etc⌠Hundreds of hours to DL addons and install , some of them not compatible etc etc⌠And you tell me BMS install is difficult ?
Stop joking now please
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My doctors recommended I do a new hobby, learn a new language, or anything else that would help the wires in my brain to reconnect, and start growing new pathways. I chose Falcon 4 because I had flown Falcon 3 a couple decades earlier. I have the book for F4AF, printed cheat sheets with the keystrokes listed, and I printed out chapters so I could carry them with me to read when my wife would be driving us somewhere. Mostly to learn about the flight characteristics, weapons, electronics, avionics, etcâŚmaybe I didnât do my due diligence on the new system, but I have read just about everything I could get my hands on for F4AF. My âissueâ is that my short term memory is very short, I get frustrated very easily, and as I said earlier, my mouth starts moving before my brain starts thinking.
BMS will definitely get those neurons rewired. Effectively operating the jet means keeping 3D situational awareness, operating dozens of controls, monitoring jet systems, interpreting sensor data, making rapid tactical decisions with many unknown variables, and communicating well with your flight. It is truly challenging but also very rewarding.
I can appreciate your frustration with getting things set up - Mav has had the benefit of doing this hundreds of times, but the first few are challenging. Youâre wrestling with an interface thatâs almost old enough to vote. I would strongly recommend downloading a pre-made X-52 profile and using it as DX programming will drive you nuts, and the SST software is as likely to blue-screen your computer as to work. This one looks pretty good. Look at the BMS-Manual.pdf in your Docs folder - it covers the way the interface works. For your controls start with page 39.
You can use the mouse wheel to change the field of view to make the HUD and MFDs bigger. TrackIR will allow you to look around by moving your head. It does a great job increasing immersion and increasing your combat effectiveness. The version 4 hardware is less expensive and works fine, but both version 4 and version 5 are available used on eBay.
While reading the manual is helpful, itâs hard to get context for what theyâre describing sometimes. Watching videos is a fast and more engaging way to learn the basics and you can fill in the details with the manual later (also having the info presented multiple ways may be helpful as youâre recovering from your injury). Krause has done a series of excellent videos for 4.32 and most of the info is still correct for 4.33. Just remember, itâs âAm-ramâ not âAim-ramâBest of luck with your recovery and welcome to Falcon BMS!
-Rabbit
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This sim is self vettingâŚso it may be with the OP among hundreds of others.
It is not our function to convince you to invest. Either you are worthy or you are not.
Get on the stick.
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It takes me less than 5 minutes from installation complete and fully ready to fly
How hard is that ?
For some people what you list might as well be how to land on the moon. If they install and press first thing instant action and press the trigger on their joystick they expect bullets to come out the front. If it presses DMS down instead they think of the software as a failure.
That it might take you or me 5 minutes to do what is needed means nothing because it took us 5 years to learn what 5 minutes worth of things to do. If I sat down and watched you take BMS from an installer .zip to flying and I asked at every action âwhy did you do that?â âhow did you know to do that?â and âwhy did you not do this?â it would fill a novel Iâm sure.
Other flight sims like IL-2, FSX, DCS, etc. are not too different but just like us they are old too. Instead of thinking how an IL-2 player would approach BMS think how someone who has only played Overwatch or Assassinâs Creed before. They key controls were written on stone tables and given in a guided tutorial or possibly just plugged in an Xbox controller which was auto detected. Think about how many gamers have never changed a default keybinding in any game in their life. How does that prepare them for the open-ended âdevise a control plan that selectively puts some of these 500 possible callbacks onto your controllerâ?
I told an 18 year old high school student who is in AP classes to âedit the .txt fileâ but they did not know what a file extension is. And how would they if Microsoft hides it by default the entire duration of their lifetime? In the same way I do not know how to nail a horseshoe onto a horse I respect that people are a product of their upbringing both in knowledge and expectations.
âMay you will fly the first day, maybe notâ and âYou need to make a plan for how your controller will translate into the airplane controlsâ are going to be very new concepts for lots of people.
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Pretty much the reason i sought out a cougar.
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So youâve not spent any time setting up the sim yet. Expect 2-3 hours, depending on your setup or desires. Itâll get easier once you get used to where things are located in BMS.
I didnt download and try to fly the sim without doing anything else first. I went through a normal setup like any other game, graphics, keystrokes, etc. it took quite a bit of time to go through the key log. So no, I didnât spend 5 hours setting up the system but I did spend time.
My key stroke editing didnât work at all. I went back through it later and still couldnât get the keystroke setup I wanted. So I will have to learn a new set of keystrokes. As for a complete setup, I understand things take time, trial and error, that kind of stuff. Although flares and chaff on the second trigger position is rather ingenious.
I look forward to reading everything I can. Although Iâm not a computer programmer Iâll try to get into the locations Iâve been told to check out.
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I feel bad for being so condescending to the OP earlier in this thread. I honestly thought you were just being troll or just very disrespectful but now we have more information
Iâm not in forums enough to understand what a troll is, however, Harry Potter comes to mind.
I have found out what trolling is now. Sorry about being confused, I couldnât understand why I was being called Shrek.
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I went through the comments to my rant fairly quick the first time around but am reading them closer now. Thanks for telling me where to get the manuals I will need. Iâm not sure how long your manuals are,m but I usually print out a chapter at a time so I can go back for quick reference.
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Long. And when youâre done, you wish they were longer.