Stop talking about flying online and get your butt airborne!
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BTW yesterday I did fly with UOAF and had a great time and I do have to say multiplayer is awesome and quite different than single player.
In single player mode I am able to think about what I am doing a lot more. In multiplayer I am trying to think about what others are doing and what they want me to do while at the same time trying to keep an eye on my #1 or #3. In single player I feel like I am in god mode, in multiplayer I feel I am in duckling mode. So yeah, I would have to say my performance was lackluster, and as Krause pointed out only a fool would expect more out of a newbie to multiplayer.
Also, I have to agree that no amount of single player flying is going to make you competent at multiplayer BUT I do think thereās nothing wrong with satisfying yourself that you can navigate and employ the various weapon systems before trying multiplayer. Sure you could join a squadron with zero familiarization and knowledge, but IMO thereās nothing wrong with taking a month or two getting used to flying, navigating, and employing weapons before taking the leap to multiplayer so that you are slightly less sucky. But then TAKE THE LEAP and be sucky.
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BTW yesterday I did fly with UOAF and had a great time and I do have to say multiplayer is awesome and quite different than single player.
Yeah personally I donāt get nearly the enjoyment out of single player flying in BMS any more. Multi player is just THAT much more enjoyable. The first time you go into a strike with a TARCAP, a SEAD/DEAD, and some strikers and kill your target and manage to bring all your birds back home you will be hooked.
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Except the fact that a fly by wire fighter aircraft handling is a bit different compared to legacy airplanes, I have not felt so much difference between a glider and a 4th generation fighter aircraft ā¦
Iād say the biggest difference by far has to be the ARI coordinating turns for you. This would be an issue for those going from a plane like the F-16 to good old stick and rudder fliers and not nearly so much for those guys moving to an F-16 just from a flight control perspective.
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Iād say the biggest difference by far has to be the ARI coordinating turns for you. This would be an issue for those going from a plane like the F-16 to good old stick and rudder fliers and not nearly so much for those guys moving to an F-16 just from a flight control perspective.
Well. I donāt think there is a very single F-16 pilot in the world who had not flew a propeller aircraft or glider when being a pilot trainee!
Using your rudder to control your symmetry inflight is then probably the most elementary lesson a real pilot will have to master. I learned it during my very first flying lesson, when I was 13 Y/O!
I am sure, many people here have no idea about the concept of adverse yaw!
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Iād say the biggest difference by far has to be the ARI coordinating turns for you. This would be an issue for those going from a plane like the F-16 to good old stick and rudder fliers and not nearly so much for those guys moving to an F-16 just from a flight control perspective.
I USE my ruddersā¦particularly in a flat scissors. I donāt know about all the rest of everyone else, but I use my rudders all the timeā¦even though they arenāt very useful above about 200 KCASā¦I still use them.
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I am sure, many people here have no idea about the concept of adverse yaw!
probably another generalisation which is certainly not true. Many ppl here flew other sims without ARI and perfectly understand the secondary effects of all flight controls.
again, many virtual pilots are private pilots or glider pilots and some even became commercial pilots - and in that aspect, they probably all go through the simulation phase - even on a personnal computers. Some sims are just too cheap for decent training and not using the tools at their disposal would be stupid (in the right conditions, as explained by the regulations obviously).
and even if they didnāt, they probably fly other sims such as ww2 sims or civilian sims and they know about adverse yaw and maybe even the weathercock effect !Iām sure they are way more pilots in here than what one might think because not all of us advertise it - some are modest
so donāt underestimate this community. Not all of us are stupids gamers because we didnāt start flying lessons at 13 yearsYou sir won the Darwin award today
Darwin awards are only given to ppl who died because of their stupidity.
I canāt be awarded it (yet) as iām still alive and kicking !
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@Red:
probably another generalisation which is certainly not true. Many ppl here flew other sims without ARI and perfectly understand the secondary effects of all flight controls.
again, many virtual pilots are private pilots or glider pilots and some even became commercial pilots - and in that aspect, they probably all go through the simulation phase - even on a personnal computers. Some sims are just too cheap for decent training and not using the tools at their disposal would be stupid (in the right conditions, as explained by the regulations obviously).
and even if they didnāt, they probably fly other sims such as ww2 sims or civilian sims and they know about adverse yaw and maybe even the weathercock effect !Iām sure they are way more pilots in here than what one might think because not all of us advertise it - some are modest
so donāt underestimate this community. Not all of us are stupids gamers because we didnāt start flying lessons at 13 yearsOf course, there is many people here who know this elementary concept. Maybe more than the ones who donāt know about it. I am not blaming anbody here. A lot, does not means all, or most. Donāt take me wrong here.
Why do I started flying so early? Because I wanted to become a pilot since I as a young child. Then, did everything I could, gathering money etc. To start flying as early as possible. When I was 16, I started working as a bread seller to pay my flight lessons.
One more time, you tell from my statements stuff I havenāt say. I was the first one here to tell that we should respect everybody here, and everybody has the right to make flight simulation as they want too. And eveybody including me as the first one have to aim respect and humility.
What you deduct ct here just show that you haven,'t understood anything of what I said. But itās ok, I respect you. You have freedom of speech.
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Thanks for writing what I thought before I shrugged.
@Red:
probably another generalisation which is certainly not true. Many ppl here flew other sims without ARI and perfectly understand the secondary effects of all flight controls.
again, many virtual pilots are private pilots or glider pilots and some even became commercial pilots - and in that aspect, they probably all go through the simulation phase - even on a personnal computers. Some sims are just too cheap for decent training and not using the tools at their disposal would be stupid (in the right conditions, as explained by the regulations obviously).
and even if they didnāt, they probably fly other sims such as ww2 sims or civilian sims and they know about adverse yaw and maybe even the weathercock effect ! -
I simply take and mean the word āflyā in flight simulator like as I say I ākilledā 3 people in Call of Duty while I never had an experience of actual combat. I believe everyone means the word āflyā that way.
As long as we can trust BMSās FM in a certain religion, thinking several theories work almost same way in RL, should be OK.
For instance, when I do a dogfight, BFM theories work just as it is said, and If I believe BMS has reliable enough FM to represent realistic results in BFM, I understand why those theories work not only by word but also by my experience. Like understanding how energy conservation works not only by reading textbook but also by swinging a pendulum.
I once really could not understand why modern jets need to fly formation like WW2 planes do, Wonder why eyesight is required while radar can detect opponent fighter. BMS taught me how they should work and how important would it be.
While I think I could understand a part of RL flight theory that way, at the same time I also can take in consideration that I donāt know RL aviation as same as RL pilots do. I never taught airmanship nor trained and selected in fighter course. I never fear of death while flying as I only āflyā in the virtual world but they fly real, so can not imagine how would I feel or react when facing the power of G, acceleration, real engine problem or whatever experience I never have had in RL. Thatās where I know I know nothing.
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For me itās like this: When I play Monopoly I say, āI am going to buy Boardwalk.ā Everyone knows that I am really just playing a game. I donāt say, āI am playing a game called Monopoly and now I would like to pretend to buy Boardwalk.ā I am not disrespecting land barons, railroad tycoons, bankers etc. I am not saying I know more than them. So if they take offense that I pretend I am such and such in a game or when talking about the game I play ā then thatās their issue ā itās not really mine as I am just being a normal imaginative human being.
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I once really could not understand why modern jets need to fly formation like WW2 planes do, Wonder why eyesight is required while radar can detect opponent fighter. BMS taught me how they should work and how important would it be.
Aināt that a beauty of a gem to discover while learning about this thing we do huh?
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Krause whilst I agree that MP is very fun and huge step over SP, itās a little condescending being told how to play the sim. Iāll play the sim how I see fit to enjoy it my way. I see a lot of people flying non vipers in a VIPER sim which I find odd, but I donāt create a video singling them out telling them theyāre wrong for enjoying the sim their way.
Krause, I know youāre heartās in the right place here, but I kind of found it a little insulting if Iām perfectly honest. It kind of came across that Iām not one of the āeliteā because I donāt fly online regularly.
Whilst I might learn navigation, SA, weapons etc. a lot faster via MP, I have the luxury of learning when time permits when doing it via SP. Iām off āthe second groupā (by your video) yet Iād bet money Iāve been in Falcon world longer. I fly exclusively SP currently, but have spent many MP hours in a VFS back before BMS4.3x was even out.
Apologies if it comes across as an attack, I mean you no disrespect.
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ā¦Like understanding how energy conservation works not only by reading textbook but also by swinging a pendulum.
Well put.
I never fear of death while flying as I only āflyā in the virtual worldā¦
You havenāt met my wifeā¦
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I was an āSP onlyā flier for many years, because of pilot performance anxiety (not the sexual one;)). When I finally got the guts to jump into MP, I learned 10x faster and enjoyed it 10x more. I rarely use SP anymore.
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Everybody has to learn. Everybody makes mistakes (hopefully not the same one twice). We all strive for that perfect āflightā, knowing that itāll never happen. Iām sure the same is true for real pilots too.
If current circumstances mean that multiplayer is not an option then there is still plenty to keep you interested in Falcon BMS single-player after all.
Lots of experience in single-player is not always transferable though; itās easier to train someone to do things right than coach them to change bad habits. Itās also just as motivating for experienced āinstructorsā to see their virtual āstudentsā progress as it is for those newcomers to multiplayer who wake up to a whole new world and hopefully learn a few things along the way.
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Lots of experience in single-player is not always transferable though; itās easier to train someone to do things right than coach them to change bad habits.
I learned this the hard way, after years of acquiring SP bad habits.
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Krause whilst I agree that MP is very fun and huge step over SP, itās a little condescending being told how to play the sim. Iāll play the sim how I see fit to enjoy it my way. I see a lot of people flying non vipers in a VIPER sim which I find odd, but I donāt create a video singling them out telling them theyāre wrong for enjoying the sim their way.
Krause, I know youāre heartās in the right place here, but I kind of found it a little insulting if Iām perfectly honest. It kind of came across that Iām not one of the āeliteā because I donāt fly online regularly.
It has nothing to do with being elite or āinā but simply the truth in how humans learn. You learn by doing and being in the middle of it way more than by reading books or studying. For those who want to fly MP the best thing to do is to fly with humans online. He isnāt addressing those who want to fly SP only and he isnāt stating you have to fly xx amount per month/week/whatever. He is only addressing those who think they can go study and read about the subject and become good at it prior to doing it.
Whilst I might learn navigation, SA, weapons etc. a lot faster via MP, I have the luxury of learning when time permits when doing it via SP. Iām off āthe second groupā (by your video) yet Iād bet money Iāve been in Falcon world longer. I fly exclusively SP currently, but have spent many MP hours in a VFS back before BMS4.3x was even out.
Apologies if it comes across as an attack, I mean you no disrespect.
To this I would say you are reading WAY too much into what he posted. His thoughts were about those who WERE interested in MP but were delaying for said reasons. Not once did he state that those who play SP only were inferior or missing out. His rant only references those who do fly MP and those who state they will or want to fly MP. Now the one point I will give you is that learning the systems in SP can help build the muscle memory so you can spend more time building SA instead of fiddling around with the FCR or some other sub system that you arenāt up to speed on. Otherwise for those who are interested in MP and are okay on the systems the best thing to do is to fly MP. For those who cannot invest the time into MP or a VFS or are not interested in MP that is why the SP exists.
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Krause whilst I agree that MP is very fun and huge step over SP, itās a little condescending being told how to play the sim. Iāll play the sim how I see fit to enjoy it my way. I see a lot of people flying non vipers in a VIPER sim which I find odd, but I donāt create a video singling them out telling them theyāre wrong for enjoying the sim their way.
Krause, I know youāre heartās in the right place here, but I kind of found it a little insulting if Iām perfectly honest. It kind of came across that Iām not one of the āeliteā because I donāt fly online regularly.
Whilst I might learn navigation, SA, weapons etc. a lot faster via MP, I have the luxury of learning when time permits when doing it via SP. Iām off āthe second groupā (by your video) yet Iād bet money Iāve been in Falcon world longer. I fly exclusively SP currently, but have spent many MP hours in a VFS back before BMS4.3x was even out.
Apologies if it comes across as an attack, I mean you no disrespect.
I am not passing judgment on anyone - just trying to motivate some sideline guys to start getting involved.
I understand all the reasons why someone wouldnāt fly ,and itās cool.
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First online, pickup session, kind of āLetās test it, Iāve never connectedā. āOh, alright, letās dogfight a bit, oh well, now letās fly a campaign missionā.
Thanks, Falco[GER] ;). And Falcon Lounge, we found each other there.
https://www.falcon-lounge.com/This excerpt was recorded when it finally decided to work, right after Falcoās last bomb run. Shame, it was a beautiful as hell vision.
1/ Weāre on Discord. I have an admiration for all those people who can correctly understand anything on IVC in another, not mother-language. Thatās many people, yes. And, I donāt even understand strictly everything. And yes, I have a problem. The only solution Iāve found so far is scratching my head.
2/ Night + no TGP + anyway not used to turn my FLIR on = many painful moments, but still a lot of fun, thanks to datalink. And NVG, but not that much.
3/ Flying solo and ironing practices DOES help. Flying formation to refuel DOES help. Flying formation with a human becomes really easy - but thereās no proof of that on the video, Iāll concede
4/ Connecting and using the sim was easy. Just do and it does. I even disconnected accidentally (F4BMS bugged out when I tried to turn my FLIR on, guess itās not used to me either :P) and could reconnect straight away inflight after restarting. And lost my TGP in the process, of course, but we used 82ās.Thatās all. I really enjoyed this online session, will enjoy my next ones certainly as much, and Iāll still enjoy flying solo too. Itās just a different thing.
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This is one big reason for brevity. Aside from being brief, tying up the radio less, there are deliberately not words that sound alike in brevity code, so the words are distinct.