Two problems firing weapons
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I’ve been playing F4 of and on since MP released it. Played last on BMS 4.1
Had fully working hotas and enjoyed full game play without controller problems.Since picking up 4.33 again, I’ve had to remap about 60% of the hotas.
- When gun fires, it fires continuous until empty regardless of releasing the trigger.
- I cannot lock radar targets with TMS up.
a) Weapons armed
b) Radar active
c) MRM mode
d) RMS
e) Target under radar cursor
result: press TMS up and I get an audio thump and no designate. None of the other TMS positions bug the target.
When I inspect the TMS switch positions in the game Controller, press the switch, I see the correct TMS-up, down, etc actions in the table.
I have the controller single stage trigger mapped to “2nd trigger det”Using the default “FULL” key file as loaded by the installation.
Appreciate assistance.
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It would help if you’d mention which HOTAS you’re using and if you’re using and pre-built profiles for it. If not, it may be a good idea to try out one of the popular profiles for your HOTAS. I’m guessing this is either an issue with your .key file or with your HOTAS settings.
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The hotas is X-65F. I built the profile based on matching up the published keyboard layout.pdf in the 4.33 docs folder and observing the keypress actions in the Controller in-game mapping.
I have successfully mapped this combination in an older BMS, but some of the current mapping is confusing.
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I’ve been playing F4 of and on since MP released it. Played last on BMS 4.1
Had fully working hotas and enjoyed full game play without controller problems.Since picking up 4.33 again, I’ve had to remap about 60% of the hotas.
- When gun fires, it fires continuous until empty regardless of releasing the trigger.
- I cannot lock radar targets with TMS up.
a) Weapons armed
b) Radar active
c) MRM mode
d) RMS
e) Target under radar cursor
result: press TMS up and I get an audio thump and no designate. None of the other TMS positions bug the target.
When I inspect the TMS switch positions in the game Controller, press the switch, I see the correct TMS-up, down, etc actions in the table.
I have the controller single stage trigger mapped to “2nd trigger det”Using the default “FULL” key file as loaded by the installation.
Appreciate assistance.
-Pv-Can you use TMS up for other purposes? Such as Mark or STPT selection on HSD?
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Steerpoint selection on the HSD works fine. Also, SOI confirmed on the radar and still no designate. When I TMS up on the HSD, there is no sound, simply works.
When I TMS up on the radar, I get a thump sound.
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Steerpoint selection on the HSD works fine. Also, SOI confirmed on the radar and still no designate. When I TMS up on the HSD, there is no sound, simply works.
When I TMS up on the radar, I get a thump sound.
-Pv-At this stage, and personally, I’d found a video useful. But I often write this and apparently it always stops there
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You assume I have not viewed them (but I have- and have done so for nearly 20 years.) but this is not an operational error (unless someone can prove otherwise) but a controller issue.
I’ll say again I’m a veteran of F4 and when used last on 4.1 worked fine. It’s the mapping issue I have trouble resolving.-Pv-
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4.1??
If it’s a controller issue, why not download a popular and known-working profile for the X-65F? You can rule out a few issues that way.
It’ll also be easier for others with the same setup to help you as you’d be starting from a known point; at this stage, nobody else but yourself knows how you’ve mapped out your HOTAS. -
I tried “fluke” profile over in the controllers thread. His gun fire does not work at all.
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You assume I have not viewed them (but I have- and have done so for nearly 20 years.) but this is not an operational error (unless someone can prove otherwise) but a controller issue.
I’ll say again I’m a veteran of F4 and when used last on 4.1 worked fine. It’s the mapping issue I have trouble resolving.-Pv-
No. I suggest you make a short video…
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Fluke’s cursors and TMS don’t work also.
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I tried “fluke” profile over in the controllers thread. His gun fire does not work at all.
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Fluke’s cursors and TMS don’t work also.
-Pv-If it’s a controller issue, why not download a popular and known-working profile for the X-65F?
From a person who is “not active with the hobby” and saying that his profile “might be an ok-starting point”, which part of that registered as popular or known-working to you?
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I tried the only profile I could find on this forum. If you know of one which is “popular” and “known working” I’ll try it.
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I’m a WH owner, so unfortunately I can’t really help you there. IIRC, the X-65F has been discontinued as well which doesn’t really help.
Just a wild idea here, but can you use a profile for a different Saitek stick? Will that work with the X-65 as well?
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@Cloud:
http://www.72ndvfw.org/forum/m/5688083/viewthread/25194656-x65f-profile-keyfile-for-bms-433
C9
Thanks C9 but that is too confusing.
It doesn’t matter that Saitek doesn’t build or sell the stick anymore. It still works. I’ve been using it in FSX, DCS Warthog, Falcon4 (earlier versions) Evochron Mercenary, Orbiter, X Rebirth and Elite:Dangerous without fault.
It’s only the new bindings in 4.33 which cause me trouble and only two features are not working: TMS in the radar (TMS in the HSD works fine) and the gun fire. The gun FIRES but does not stop when I let go of the trigger.
None of my other games behave this way. When I played BMS 4.12391 with the same controller, everything worked perfect.-Pv-
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When I paste snakepit’s bindings into the BMS default full key file changing nothing else in the key file, and no key bindings sent from my profiler software (just the DX controller button for the trigger command is sent) I get the same result. The gun fires without stopping as soon as I press and release the fire button.
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Fixed the gun trigger. This was arrived at completely experimentally.
key file = Full
Saitek profileler:
Advanced mode for the fire button
pressed = alt-/
released = /In the BMS full config, the plain forwardslash is not mapped. It appears for single action fire switch controllers like mine, some unused key must be sent to stop the gun fire once started.
On to the problem with the radar TMS. That problem would seem to be more complicated since it works in the other MFD.
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Well there’s your problem… not using DX bindings where possible.
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When I attempted to use the DX binding provided by “snakepit” http://www.72ndvfw.org/forum/m/5688083/viewthread/25194656-x65f-profile-keyfile-for-bms-433 the results were as reported. The gun fired without stopping until empty.
At this point, the controller mapper has been the only solution which worked after an entire day of experimenting. Still need to fix the radar TMS which I have no ground for success.
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