Modding Missiles
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Is there a guide anywhere that shows what the numerous options in the misdata do? I’ve been playing around with it (pretty cool), and don’t know what alot of the options do.
Also is there a way to change the range the AI will engage from?
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Everything is labbeled, so maybe you should read the titles of the segments and do some research on the internet.
There is surely a way, but i don’t know how
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Is there a guide anywhere that shows what the numerous options in the misdata do? I’ve been playing around with it (pretty cool), and don’t know what alot of the options do.
Also is there a way to change the range the AI will engage from?
Modding the data on missiles can corrupt the BMS install. Any modding can do this. Also, others that join you in MP would have to have the same modd or the connection will not work properly. At least, this is what I have come to know over the years. Not a good idea to mess with the data edits. Just my 2 cents.
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How would I go about giving a plane (say the SU35) built in TGP/all the other sensors?
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if you want a built in tgp, you would have to edit that in the acdata files
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if you want a built in tgp, you would have to edit that in the acdata files
do the “TGP pos” move the TGP position on the plane?
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i think so
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Also is there a way to change the range the AI will engage from?
Yes. Both in DB with inbuilt editor of F4Brwose you have to change the range data of the AAM and in dat files at the end of the file (as I can remember) are the range table brakepoints.
Altitude Breakpoints
ownship vel breakpoints
aspect breakpointsWhat do you wish to change and why?
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I am modding the R-33/AA-9 missile in falcon to become the R-37/AA-13, adding a loft bias to it and increasing its range, in game the current is not realistic at all.
with those break points you are basically adding points to a surface
(x,y) = z
(velocity, altitude) = (what_are_the_units_for_this)
my guess is meters/yards?not too worried about corrupting my install, will just reinstall (have done may times)
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I am modding the R-33/AA-9 missile in falcon to become the R-37/AA-13, adding a loft bias to it and increasing its range, in game the current is not realistic at all.
May I ask you how you came to that conclusion?
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I am modding the R-33/AA-9 missile in falcon to become the R-37/AA-13, adding a loft bias to it and increasing its range, in game the current is not realistic at all.
with those break points you are basically adding points to a surface
(x,y) = z
(velocity, altitude) = (what_are_the_units_for_this)
my guess is meters/yards?not too worried about corrupting my install, will just reinstall (have done may times)
I have not tried AA-9 but AIM-54 is problematic. It has simply too big drag. I tried it at 30k feet launch alt against a 30k target but kinematic range is way, way less then should be. If AA-9 got similar Cd/Cl values you cannot fix it by adding more lofting.
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Problematic ? Its launch range against a [fictional] fixed target at 30k with launcher at 30k ft is around 75 NM. That means 100 NM for a head-on target, give or take, and 50 NM for a tail-on target.
You do have to follow the loft cue though, the optimal loft is around 35° for these conditions in-game.
The drag was extrapolated from this data :
https://prod.nais.nasa.gov/eps/eps_data/126521-OTHER-001-001.pdf -
That’s pretty far range to get full support for missile.
What bubble size is the current build set for A/A AC, my guess you’d need 75+nm which if memory is right is above or about max hardcode value (unless it was changed) -
WOW, look what the cat drag in!!!
Cheers Ed_1!!
C9
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Problematic ? Its launch range against a [fictional] fixed target at 30k with launcher at 30k ft is around 75 NM. That means 100 NM for a head-on target, give or take, and 50 NM for a tail-on target.
You do have to follow the loft cue though, the optimal loft is around 35° for these conditions in-game.
The drag was extrapolated from this data :
https://prod.nais.nasa.gov/eps/eps_data/126521-OTHER-001-001.pdfCan you post an ACMI about it? Becase I tried it and was nowhere close to 45 nm the range not 75 nm…
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There you go, against a slow target head-on a 60 NM.
We are already inside ROpt, so if you loft, RPI will follow as well ; and RAero is in the realm of 100 NM.
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There you go, against a slow target head-on a 60 NM.
We are already inside ROpt, so if you loft, RPI will follow as well ; and RAero is in the realm of 100 NM.
I asked about ACMI about the engagement and not a screenshot about a DLZ/NEZ display. As I know you can give the AIM-54 NEZ display to AIM-9. So the range display proves nothing.
I have reported this in suggestion thread but i will show on ACMI with AIM-54 and AIM-7M. I have sent one of my friend via email but I deleted the emai. He also noticed the problem that AIM-54 is impotent rangewise.
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Not if the range data was directly computed from the actual performance in-game…
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#–---------------------------------------------------
number of ownship vel breakpoints
#-----------------------------------------------------
3
+0.000000 +800.000000 +1300.000000#-----------------------------------------------------
number of aspect breakpoints
#-----------------------------------------------------
6
+0.000000 +10000.000000 +20000.000000
+30000.000000 +40000.000000 +50000.000000Alt = 0.0
Vel = 0.0
+70693.000000 +69634.000000 +66051.000000 +49881.000000 +38033.000000 +23127.000000
Just one row/column ( 0, 0) of the alt/vel/aspect diagram witht he final result being some value the ai uses to choose how far away to engage their target (its why the ai always shoot at around the same distance).
Question:
what are the units for the final value?
what is an aspect of 10,000, 20,000, 30,000, 40,000, 50,000?
from what google has told me aspect is the angle the target is from you velocity vector, normally in degrees/radians. -
There you go, against a slow target head-on a 60 NM.
We are already inside ROpt, so if you loft, RPI will follow as well ; and RAero is in the realm of 100 NM.
Here is the proof. Even at very high alt AIM-7M has better range than AIM-54.
http://www.mediafire.com/file/jd8pw2c42wkak0g/AIM-54-test.zipAIM-54 performance is nowhere close to RL. Targets were flying higher in test then in RL and even this factor AIM-54 was not able to reach the target.
