F-16 tail hook

[Goldsmack]

For emergency’s, dose the tail hook on the F-16 in BMS actually work on runways that have the arresting system?

[Dee-Jay]

No

[Goldsmack]

Bummer Thanks for the quick reply. I wonder how easy it would be to implement seeing as it works on carriers already. Maybe 4.34

[Blu3wolf]

To implement well would actually require an overhaul of how airbases work in BMS. In particular, unless the arrestors were left raised all the time, or they just teleported to the correct position when the wind changed, they would not be useful. If they were left raised all the time they would not be useful to any wing flying IAW AFI 11-2F-16v3.

[supanova]

I was under the impression it is implemented in BMS, but the arrestment gear itself is not available on any airbases. TO-BMS1F-16CM-1 appears to state two different things. Perhaps manual update changes missed if it has been implemented, or an unfortunate choice of words if it hasn’t.

The hook shaped switch above the LG handle is a two positions toggle switch operating the emergency arrestment system. While it is implemented on the BMS F-16 there is unfortunately no arrestment gear on any Falcon airbase yet

p.34

The hook is not up and locked. Cable arrestment system is not implemented in BMS and the hook has no real purpose.

p.178

You may lower the hook if you feel like it but as there is no cable arrestment system in BMS it is not required.

p.192

[Red Dog]

to me the 3 quotes say the same consistent thing:
Hook works (switch works, and animation is present and visible) but there is no arrestment gear implemented in BMS airbase

[supanova]

While it is implemented on the BMS F-16 there is unfortunately no arrestment gear on any Falcon airbase yet

That suggests that it’s implemented, but it doesn’t work because it’s not implemented on the ground.

I would suggest, to avoid confusion:

While the switch is implemented, its function is not currently implemented, and no Falcon airbases currently support it.

[Dee-Jay]

@Blu3wolf:

To implement well would actually require an overhaul of how airbases work in BMS. In particular, unless the arrestors were left raised all the time, or they just teleported to the correct position when the wind changed, they would not be useful. If they were left raised all the time they would not be useful to any wing flying IAW AFI 11-2F-16v3.

What we can imagine it like for barrier in automatic mode. It raise the barrier automaticaly thanks to speed sensors on the final postion of the runway. In BMS, passing the overrun or the last portion of the runway after the last taxiway at a speed above 25 - 30 kts (or any other speed to de define) could trigger the cable (?) … Already discussed among team members and coders but is not a prio feature. Maybe one day (?)

[Red Dog]

I’ll update the phrasing, thanks

[Tomcat84]

@Blu3wolf:

To implement well would actually require an overhaul of how airbases work in BMS. In particular, unless the arrestors were left raised all the time, or they just teleported to the correct position when the wind changed, they would not be useful. If they were left raised all the time they would not be useful to any wing flying IAW AFI 11-2F-16v3.

Some bases do actually have both cables active at the same time (e.g. Nellis and Davis Monthan) due to the prevailing winds being calm and specific directions being more favorable for noise and or other traffic from nearby bases leading to both directions being used regularly.

[Jackal]

@Dee-Jay:

What we can imagine it like for barrier in automatic mode. It raise the barrier automaticaly thanks to speed sensors on the final postion of the runway. In BMS, passing the overrun or the last portion of the runway after the last taxiway at a speed above 25 - 30 kts (or any other speed to de define) could trigger the cable (?) … Already discussed among team members and coders but is not a prio feature. Maybe one day (?)

This would be great.
Thanks to you and all in the dev. team for your attention, anyway it will go.

With best regards,

[drtbkj]

@Goldsmack:

Bummer Thanks for the quick reply. I wonder how easy it would be to implement seeing as it works on carriers already. Maybe 4.34

Not to hijack your thread, G, but you’ve landed a Viper on a carrier? If so, that’s something I want to try.

[Goldsmack]

Not yet, I was referring the the F/A-18. Actually that is a good idea/question…I’ll assume the tail hook o the F-16 won’t catch the cables on the carrier? I remember watching some you tube videos of guys trying.

[Revolpathon]

@drtbkj:

Not to hijack your thread, G, but you’ve landed a Viper on a carrier? If so, that’s something I want to try.

it works

you just have to be a bit more gentle to avoid gear collapse, launching works as well