C-130 Hercules Cockpit.

[RUS]

Hey Guys.

I have some friends who fly Boeing 737, and C-130J model in FSX/ P3D. They do not like weapons / war actions, and they can not understand why I am so thrilled about BMS…… I told them… " You should try it."
But they love the part of flying with:

• multiple engine planes,
• Huge Cockpits,
• and long journey flights with the Autopilot on, and the coffee machine bubbeling in the back…!!

Especially if you look on the 737 Community… It is HUGE.

( I am sure most of you gentlemen, know at least one of those Sim-Pilots.)

They would love to fly BMS if we had such a plane…. But we do not have a cargo plane with a designated special cockpit… !! I am sure we could get a bigger community, if we had such a Plane… Most of the Worlds Airforces do have C-130’s, and since we are a Military Simulator / community, That plane would be the obvious choice. The “custumer” potential is there…!!

And here comes my point… : Since we already HAVE a C-130 in BMS, but with the F-16 cockpit , would it be great if someone with those fantastic skills could build a C-130J cockpit / plane for those simulator pilots…

I am so amazed of Nizmo (B1) and Qava’s Work… They are true magicians… But there could be others maybe…!!

Please give me your opion…

Regards from Denmark:

RUS

[Dee-Jay]

Hi!

@RUS:

fly Boeing 737

Amsterdam - New York … so exiting!!! LOL (I’ve tried once… were able to watch 3 movies, had 15 coffees, and had one hug with the hostess (my wife)) …

Well, now I fly BMS only and take care about the hostess when back from my combat mission

…

And here comes my point… : Since we already HAVE a C-130 in BMS, but with the F-16 cockpit , would it be great if someone with those fantastic skills could build a C-130J cockpit / plane for those simulator pilots…

About Tactical Airlift a/c … mmm … I can’t say that I do not love it, but since it is my RL job, But I prefer to do other things under BMS than what I do every days.

Is the question is : Wold it be nice to be able to perform assault landing, para-dropping etc … under BMS … why not. but will require specific code which is ATM outside BMS scope. (in other words, having just the cockpit is not enough.)

If it is to make logistic flight from Kadean to Kunsan … I really do not see the point to do that in BMS (FSX is MUCH more suitable … because the only interesting stuff here is the ILS final in bad weather. For that, FSX is faaaaar better.)

[molnibalage]

Only problem if a human player flies with any cargo plane I guess they lost their role in campaing. A player also cannot do airmoble… Falcon BMS4 is an F-16 centered jet sim. If somebody wish to fly well modeled C-130 can do it in other flight sim.

[Eagle-Eye]

@molnibalage:

Only problem if a human player flies with any cargo plane I guess they lost their role in campaing. A player also cannot do airmoble… Falcon BMS4 is an F-16 centered jet sim. If somebody wish to fly well modeled C-130 can do it in other flight sim.

To be honest, I’d love to see a well-modelled C130, so that TE’s like SLOMO Protect, CSAR, Tac Airlift, paradrop etc. can be done with proper immersion for every pilot participating…

[Arty]

well for TE’s it has a meaning. Let’s say u have the role to protect the C-130 Land on an airfield (friend or FOE) like suicide or rescue missions and return it safe home.
If u have AI when it gets threatened it will RTB or have unknown behavior, flying it a human can go along with HOLD patterns and take avoidance paths.

We have used this scenario many times and it’s really fun and stimulating.

Dee-Jay the drop Cargo could be like a bomb thing and strict it to specific criteria like speed altitude and AoA so load that bomb in the C-130 and when u pickle it will release the cargo or airmobile. It will be successful if the criteria where met.
Still would need some code though.

@Molni yeap for Campaigns it would ruin the roles but u can create fake ones just for the fun of it.

[Dee-Jay]

well for TE’s it has a meaning. Let’s say u have the role to protect the C-130 Land on an airfield (friend or FOE) like suicide or rescue missions and return it safe home.

Already possible. Just no 3D ckpt.

Dee-Jay the drop Cargo could be like a bomb thing and strict it to specific criteria like speed altitude and AoA so load that bomb in the C-130 and when u pickle it will release the cargo or airmobile. It will be successful if the criteria where met.
Still would need some code though.

No time to loose with this IMO … In that case, I would prefer to see the coder time used to implement IFF or a new terrain mesh model …

…

My personal POV. I do not see the point to try to convert some FSX pilots by convicing them to comme on BMS if it is just to do the same than in FSX (RKPP to RKJK!).

Especialy if:

They do not like weapons / war actions, and they can not understand why I am so thrilled about BMS

To do logistic flights, they will be much more happy under FSX.

My 2 cents.

[Raptor]

@Dee-Jay:

I would prefer to see the coder time used to implement IFF

I knew you were infected with the virus! HAHAHAHA

[Dee-Jay]

@Raptor:

I knew you were infected with the virus! HAHAHAHA

Nope. I’m just saying that … if we do the IFF, we must do it as real as we can. Not by doing just like in FF or DCS/Lock On. It means : I do not want a perecft tool.

But I’m not against anything concerning avionics stuff except HQII whch would be TOTALY pointless within our simulator’s scope.

[Arty]

Sure Dee-Jay those u say r the best and most wanted then this.
What we just say and suggest here r just simple stupid wants…
I believe by this time u come to ignore such as we all r just bla bla bla but some times we throw and some good ideas on the table.
We don’t really know the insides and the wip list of BMS so we just say our stupid wants and hope to be included not necessarily for the next release or the one after it just in 3-4 Falcon weeks, :lol: .

I don’t think also this to be done just to drive BUS drives (FSX and Xplane) here… Falcon is not a company needing more clients from competition.

[Dee-Jay]

Yep.

And on my side I’m trying (sometimes not in a smart way ) to give you an overview of the “general” team POV (can be also subjective of course) … otherwise, you woud have no info at all since we are not communicating (or very few) on WIP.

RUS asked for opigion, I gave mine.

[RUS]

@Arty:

well for TE’s it has a meaning. Let’s say u have the role to protect the C-130 Land on an airfield (friend or FOE) like suicide or rescue missions and return it safe home.
If u have AI when it gets threatened it will RTB or have unknown behavior, flying it a human can go along with HOLD patterns and take avoidance paths.

We have used this scenario many times and it’s really fun and stimulating.

Dee-Jay the drop Cargo could be like a bomb thing and strict it to specific criteria like speed altitude and AoA so load that bomb in the C-130 and when u pickle it will release the cargo or airmobile. It will be successful if the criteria where met.
Still would need some code though.

Wonderful scenario Arty!!

Well well… So much for the C-130!.. Thank you for all your replies… I dont buy the argument, that other Sim pilots not would find any joy in flying a Cargo plane in BMS, rather than FSX/P3D. We have the C-130 in the real Royal Danish Airforce. So I just came up with the idea, since i saw Nizmo’s wonderful work on the B1 ( which also is a Long journey tactical 4 engine plane, which can DROP bombs )…

The C-130 IS in my opinion a tactical plane.!!

If I had the knowledge and skill, I would have done it myself. Now I dont, and I see others have…

See you up there!!

RUS

[Dee-Jay]

The C-130 IS in my opinion a tactical plane.!!

It is actually! … If it is for flying tactical missions (airdrop, assault landing, high level drop etc …) furthermore in coordination with Slow Mover pro … 100% it is exiting!

But if they are saying that they do not like War action missions … then … ? (because tactical air lift mission ARE war mission!)

[Mapi]

And what about Air Refueling? Bad it will not work with a human in the KC.

[Dee-Jay]

And what about

Let me remind you guys that for the moment … we are still on a (relatively incomplete and “sometimes” bugged) F-16 sim. IMHO … before considering such request (however, nice and interesting ideas) … lets finish and fix currents problems (or at least, the “most critical”).

Then … we might think about that kind of (possibly funny) “multi vector” request

(Do not want to be the “no no guy” once again … but if you are asking “what about” … I kindly give you my personal feeling about the overall team philosophy.)

So … talking about human conducted Air Drop, Assault landing, AAR etc … while not impossible (?) certainly not to be expected “anytime soon”.

[Arty]

:lol: even though u r the Darth Vader… :lol: Dee-Jay u r not the no-no guy at all… so don’t say that, u r more then kind and patient with us and the info u pass is more then anticipated with the way the BMS team - community communication is done.
Just for some guys what we have already might seem just perfect F-16 wise… So we-they ask for extras outside the BMS circle of interest. I believe this is anticipated.

If the BMS wip - priority list was public and our priorities was asked I’m sure u would be amazed from the differences in priorities and the question for 1.000 things not existing on the list… :lol:

And here BMS says thank God it’s secret… to save your self from us the Lions in the Arena… :rofl:

Now is it me hearing calling me Robin Hood again or u hear it too??? :rofl:

[Dee-Jay]

So we-they ask for extras outside the BMS circle of interest.

100% understandable.

[MaxWaldorf]

@Dee-Jay:

No time to loose with this IMO … In that case, I would prefer to see the coder time used to implement IFF or a new terrain mesh model …

I am new to BMS but not new to the FLight Sim community. But I do agree that the worst thing would be to spread all over the place forgettting the initial purpose of Falcon BMS…
Eventhough you have different kind of planes in BMS, what do you think is the best scenario for core team ?

Make F-16 even better or implement new aiplanes?

IMHO, Let each sim have their pros. Here BMS is F-16 focused so I would stick to that. You don’t even now if prop are modelled correctly if you suffer the torque effect, etc…

@Dee-Jay:

My personal POV. I do not see the point to try to convert some FSX pilots by convicing them to comme on BMS if it is just to do the same than in FSX (RKPP to RKJK!).

I would rather stick to my moto : One goal, One sim…
Let X-Plane / P3D (FSX is almost dead) to the civil community because in such slow plane you need bautifull grounds to enjoy the time flying by…
Either BMS or DCS are not meant for that…

My 3 cents

Cheers

[schnidrman]

AC-130 Gunship?! LOL just kidding. I stick with the Viper always!!! Sure I get in other planes from time to time just for fun but always fly the F-16 in campaign. Keep up the good work BMS team!

[Guest]

I have a pit WIP

http://rustyfalcons.freeforums.org/c130-t40.html

[schnidrman]

That is pretty cool Nizmo!