X-55 Aircraft Starts Every Mission Trimmed to the Extreme Right
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Topic title pretty much says it all. I have an X-55, and every mission I start off the aircraft starts off trimmed to the extreme right, in just a few seconds my plane is completely inverted unless I immediately correct with my stick when the mission loads in.
I tried mapping my trim commands to stick buttons and using those to trim the aircraft in, this works about 50% of the time. I tried mapping them to an adjustable knob (AKA: Axis) on the throttle and that doesn’t work at all, it’s either full left full right or centered, but with the knob set to the center if the aircraft loaded in trimmed right it continues to lean to the right even when the trim knob is set to center.
I tried calibrating my stick outside of Falcon (in Windows) and I made sure to center it (hands off the stick) using the button in Falcon. Tried restarting, tried unplugging the hardware and plugging it back in, tried updating my drivers, tried re-installing my drivers. I make sure hands are off-stick when the mission loads too. Doesn’t matter.
Any other creative ideas?
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Just to check: Do you have the trim correctly mapped to your joystick? Is that slide/button working correct? Can you confirm visually that the trim is correctly centered?
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Is the loadout symmetric? Sorry, had to ask.
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Did you try to center the joystick while in the cockpit? Every two weeks or so, my joytick suddenly loose its calibration in the air…
EDITED:
- Did you try to reset the trim by using the keyboard?
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- Just to check: Do you have the trim correctly mapped to your joystick? Is that slide/button working correct?
I have tried removing the mapping entirely, it still happens.
Can you confirm visually that the trim is correctly centered?
I am not sure how to do this from the cockpit, from the external view, I can see that my left aileron and horizontal stabilizer are full down as soon as I spawn in with no hands on the stick. I can move the stick and watch them move, but they always start full down.
Inside the cockpit, there are the trim knobs. Next to them are the white semi-circle of dots with the little indicator. Next to the roll Trim Knob, this indicator is fully at the top.
Adjusting my trim it can go fully to the bottom (which causes my jet to pull constantly to the left) or fully to the right (which is how it starts, and the indicator is back at the top). But it never, ever, balances in the middle which is what I think it should do?
- Is the loadout symmetric? Sorry, had to ask.
Tried it with no loadout, no difference.
- Did you try to center the joystick while in the cockpit? Every two weeks or so, my joytick suddenly loose its calibration in the air…
This sounds helpful. I don’t know how to do this. I will look for a keyboard shortcut tonight to center while in flight.
- Did you try to reset the trim by using the keyboard?
This works about half the time.
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Did this problem start from day one with the X-55? I am guessing that this problem did not exist with your older HOTAS.
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Did this problem start from day one with the X-55? I am guessing that this problem did not exist with your older HOTAS.
No, actually, it’s been a relatively new issue. Prior to this I was running an X-52, and I never saw this problem.
I’ve had the X-55 for six months or so now, but it’s sat fairly idle for the last two months or so and I just started using it again.
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Out of curiosity, when you are in the setup screen, when you move your Throttle (back and forth), are you getting commands in the input area. I am trying to determine if you are getting the “Ghosting” issues some may have.
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No I am not. I thought I was having the ghosting issue, as well. But it turns out I was just nudging one of the two-way hat like things on the front of the throttle with my finger while manipulating the throttle. I unbound those buttons and stopped having issues with accidental presses.
In my case they were bound to dogfight mode and cancel dogfight mode, and it was easy to detect when they came up.
I will check this again tonight, but I am 99.9% sure that isn’t my issue.
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Roger that. When you get home tonight…double check. I had ghosting issues due to the fact I had an AMD processor using 2.0 USB ports.
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Roger that. When you get home tonight…double check. I had ghosting issues due to the fact I had an AMD processor using 2.0 USB ports.
I am using 2.0 ports, on a 2.0 Hub. I have an i7 here.
I am not seeing the Ghosting issue - what I am seeing is the input resets to ‘clear’ or ‘empty’ when I move the throttle, but only sometimes. So if I press a button and it says something like “Joystick Button 15” and then I move the throttle that disappears. But only sometimes, not every time, I don’t know why.
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I am using 2.0 ports, on a 2.0 Hub. I have an i7 here.
I am not seeing the Ghosting issue - what I am seeing is the input resets to ‘clear’ or ‘empty’ when I move the throttle, but only sometimes. So if I press a button and it says something like “Joystick Button 15” and then I move the throttle that disappears. But only sometimes, not every time, I don’t know why.
Multiplexing? /gasp
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I have my trims assigned to RTY 3 and RTY 4 on the base of the throttle. In the setup page (BMS), I then assign and calibrate both rotaries. Have you tried that option?
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I have my trims assigned to RTY 3 and RTY 4 on the base of the throttle. In the setup page (BMS), I then assign and calibrate both rotaries. Have you tried that option?
Well, when I set these up to use the rotaries I have an entirely new problem - and that is that my rotaries seem to function now like three way switches. They are either in the middle, full to the left, or full to the right, I am not sure why. Any advice on this issue?
In the meantime, I have decided that my issue may be related to ghosting. After a near-disastrous dogfight with a Mig-29S because every time my aircraft spawned in I was having to retrim my aircraft, I installed every game under the sun that would possibly use my joystick and ran through them all to test with.
What I found was that when I was manipulating my throttle with my hands not touching anything but the base of the throttle, my aircraft or spacecraft was consistently diving down and to the right. This happened across multiple games.
Also, I don’t seem to be able to clear out a mapped setting. Is there a method for this that I missing? I wanted to try unmapping the buttons on the front of the throttle, they sometimes show up when I am using the throttle but I feel like this is an issue with my bumping them, not a ghosting issue.
EDIT: This problem is exaggerated by the fact that, for whatever reason, I cannot trim my aircraft while I am on the ground.
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Well, when I set these up to use the rotaries I have an entirely new problem - and that is that my rotaries seem to function now like three way switches. They are either in the middle, full to the left, or full to the right, I am not sure why. Any advice on this issue?
In the meantime, I have decided that my issue may be related to ghosting. After a near-disastrous dogfight with a Mig-29S because every time my aircraft spawned in I was having to retrim my aircraft, I installed every game under the sun that would possibly use my joystick and ran through them all to test with.
What I found was that when I was manipulating my throttle with my hands not touching anything but the base of the throttle, my aircraft or spacecraft was consistently diving down and to the right. This happened across multiple games.
Also, I don’t seem to be able to clear out a mapped setting. Is there a method for this that I missing? I wanted to try unmapping the buttons on the front of the throttle, they sometimes show up when I am using the throttle but I feel like this is an issue with my bumping them, not a ghosting issue.
A powered USB hub resolved all the ghosting issues for me. Somehow, I still believe you have some ghosting. The hubs are cheap and may be an easy fix. Before I got the hub, I had to make sure I did not program any critical commands to my throttle…like gears, etc. I did not find a way to unmap the buttons. I just put commands that did not affect flight, but was still annoying. No problem at all now with the powered USB hub.
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A powered USB hub resolved all the ghosting issues for me. Somehow, I still believe you have some ghosting. The hubs are cheap and may be an easy fix. Before I got the hub, I had to make sure I did not program any critical commands to my throttle…like gears, etc. I did not find a way to unmap the buttons. I just put commands that did not affect flight, but was still annoying. No problem at all now with the powered USB hub.
I am already running both of mine through a powered USB Hub.
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I am already running both of mine through a powered USB Hub.
Roger that. When you set up your trims to the rotaries, are you using the Saitek software, or are you using the BMS setup page?
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Topic title pretty much says it all. I have an X-55, and every mission I start off the aircraft starts off trimmed to the extreme right, in just a few seconds my plane is completely inverted unless I immediately correct with my stick when the mission loads in.
I tried mapping my trim commands to stick buttons and using those to trim the aircraft in, this works about 50% of the time. I tried mapping them to an adjustable knob (AKA: Axis) on the throttle and that doesn’t work at all, it’s either full left full right or centered, but with the knob set to the center if the aircraft loaded in trimmed right it continues to lean to the right even when the trim knob is set to center.
I tried calibrating my stick outside of Falcon (in Windows) and I made sure to center it (hands off the stick) using the button in Falcon. Tried restarting, tried unplugging the hardware and plugging it back in, tried updating my drivers, tried re-installing my drivers. I make sure hands are off-stick when the mission loads too. Doesn’t matter.
Any other creative ideas?
1) Did you get the latest drivers from saitek (not madcatz) page?
- X55_Rhino_7_0_33_91_x64_Software / ftp://ftp.saitek.com/pub/software/full/x55_rhino/X55_Rhino_7_0_33_91_x64_Software.exe
- X55_Rhino_7_0_32_81_x64_Drivers / ftp://ftp.saitek.com/pub/software/full/x55_rhino/X55_Rhino_7_0_32_81_x64_Drivers.exe
2) Have you properly calibrated you axes in the HUD software window [CALIBRATE AXES]?
3) After having calibrated and having moved the stick afterwards for test, does it re-center properly after the release?
IF not, your magnet holding “hat” (picture one in link below) might be shaking and throwing it off *:
https://www.benchmarksims.org/forum/showthread.php?18306-Project-X55-GERMANY-%28Mod%29&highlight=germany+modIF OK, have you centered the device (stick) in the UI of BMS itself aswell?
- This mechanical “play” of the magnet carrying “hat” is a reason, why i modded the whole thing.
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@A.S:
1) Did you get the latest drivers from saitek (not madcatz) page?
- X55_Rhino_7_0_33_91_x64_Software / ftp://ftp.saitek.com/pub/software/full/x55_rhino/X55_Rhino_7_0_33_91_x64_Software.exe
- X55_Rhino_7_0_32_81_x64_Drivers / ftp://ftp.saitek.com/pub/software/full/x55_rhino/X55_Rhino_7_0_32_81_x64_Drivers.exe
I did this, no change.
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2) Have you properly calibrated you axes in the HUD software window [CALIBRATE AXES]?
I did this too, still no change.
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3) After having calibrated and having moved the stick afterwards for test, does it re-center properly after the release?
Yes it does, in the SAITEK software
@A.S:
IF not, your magnet holding “hat” (picture one in link below) might be shaking and throwing it off *:
https://www.benchmarksims.org/forum/showthread.php?18306-Project-X55-GERMANY-%28Mod%29&highlight=germany+modYes, I want, but shipping to Europe is expensive and I am not brave enough to try to mod it on my own. I fried an X52 (non pro, fortunately) trying to upgrade it. Electronics are not my forte. Programming, on the other hand…
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IF OK, have you centered the device (stick) in the UI of BMS itself aswell?
Yes, moving the stick in the UI shows full range of motion. Letting it go centers it again perfectly with no problems.
@A.S:
- This mechanical “play” of the magnet carrying “hat” is a reason, why i modded the whole thing.
I hope that’s not the issue, but all I can do now is hope.
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Well.
In desperation, I removed them from the powered hub. Last flight? Totally level. Go figure.
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Nope, still broken on subsequent launch. This is maddening.
EDIT AGAIN:
Cannot explain - I created a NEW keystrokes file and remapped all my keys (no small feat, I assure you). Whatever was in the old keystrokes file was breaking it. If I load it back up, problem comes back. Switch keystrokes file again? Problem resolved. Go figure.
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Very wicked….from hardware point of view and from test screens it seems your stick is 100% fine.
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Can you connect them directly to your PC rather than using the USB hub? I found that issue with other joysticks. My USB hub was not providing the signals correctly.
