AG radar & bombing
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I noticed that even if I don’t lock onto a ground target on the FCR, but placing the “cursor” over the target, I can still release the bombs in CCRP mode as though it’s locked and it will hit where I placed the cursor on the FCR.
Is there any disadvantage if I don’t lock the target on the AG radar? I find it’s quite “ground stabilized” already.
Why I want to do that (not locking the target)? I like to see the AG radar with returns, instead of it going blank when a target is locked & it switches to the AGR mode.
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Moving targets, extra precision? Most cases I slew FCR and don’t go FTT. FCR GM works really well without FTT.
By the way, it’s fixed target track (FTT) not AGR. AGR is for CCIP and stuff.
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no reason, unless it’s moving, or if you want to declare with AWACS, which is always a good idea unless you’re really, really far past the moving line of battle. the tanks moving around past the line of battle are always T62s; until one time they aren’t and you feel really bad about it.
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You can declare or tell wingy to attack my target with just a hover too. ROK/US ground forces love to sit in a foxhole for 3 days then floor it for the 30 minutes it takes you to fly to the FLOT in order to be bittersweeted. If it’s even remotely possible that the ground target is friendly, triple check.
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Pulling this thread back from the dead as I have a hard time understanding the advantage of the GM FTT…
I can deliver AG weapons with the radar in GMT and the cursor slewed on top of what I want to attack, without going into FTT.
What is the advantage of going into FTT ?
Here is what I was thinking- No risk of slewing the cursor in FTT ?
- The FCR snaps onto the closest radar return ?
- Better ranging accuracy for ordinance delivery ?
If anyone has the solution to this, it would be greatly appreciated
Up to now, I did not really use FTT, but was wondering if I was not doing it right since it is described in Red Dog’s manual. -
Bump… If anyone has more information about my above post, it would be greatly appreciated
Thanks
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Locking the FCR in ground mode is only essential in GMT (Ground Moving Target), as the FCR will continue tracking the target as it moves.
It has nothing to do with better ranging on static targets.
Cheers!
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Locking the FCR in ground mode is only essential in GMT (Ground Moving Target), as the FCR will continue tracking the target as it moves.
It has nothing to do with better ranging on static targets.
Cheers!
Hi Eurybaric !
From my testing it does not follow a moving target… need to do some more testing, but are you certain about that ?
Thanks.
Flow
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Hmm… Did some testing and I’m not so sure anymore.
I set up a the FCR in GMT mode on my left MFD, TGP on my right MFD, and kept SOI on the FCR (so that the TGP follows around). I slewed over a convoy (the TGP moved in sync and I could see the tank) and locked the FCR. It did not seem to follow. The TGP just stayed there.
Maybe I’m missing something.
I’ll wait for someone else’s input with you
Cheers!
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Hmm… Did some testing and I’m not so sure anymore.
I set up a the FCR in GMT mode on my left MFD, TGP on my right MFD, and kept SOI on the FCR (so that the TGP follows around). I slewed over a convoy (the TGP moved in sync and I could see the tank) and locked the FCR. It did not seem to follow. The TGP just stayed there.
Maybe I’m missing something.
I’ll wait for someone else’s input with you
Cheers!
Thank you for your feedback
Yep, that was my conclusion too, and from my reading, FTT is only interesting in GM, not GMT.
So I am wondering about the benefits of it.
Also, when you are in GM with your FCR on one MFD, and the TGP on the other, you can see your TGP “snap” somewhere else when you go into FTT on the FCR. -
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I’m agree with Flow: it doesn’t follow…
the advantage not to lock the target (even for moving target) is easy to understand: in this situation, you can distinguish all elements on the ground from radar (roads, building, etc …). As you approach the target, the radar image will become more and more accurate until release bomb time and you will improve your SA
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Those are some interesting behaviors described that Falcon (BMS or otherwise) doesn’t do. On first FTT designate in Falcon the map is blanked. According to that document map enters freeze mode while retaining the ground map image at initiation. Second designation with the changeover to blanked map and B-scope is something completely absent from Falcon. The reattack mechanization I doubt is in Falcon either. This might be a MLU-specific feature.
GMT doesn’t do FTT, it does GMT-Track.
There must be some benefit to FTT that we’re not realizing in BMS. Maybe BMS un-tracked GM is too perfect so we don’t see the benefit for FTT. And if FTT as described above would retain ground image frozen I would use it a lot more!
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Those are some interesting behaviors described that Falcon (BMS or otherwise) doesn’t do. On first FTT designate in Falcon the map is blanked. According to that document map enters freeze mode while retaining the ground map image at initiation. Second designation with the changeover to blanked map and B-scope is something completely absent from Falcon. The reattack mechanization I doubt is in Falcon either. This might be a MLU-specific feature.
GMT doesn’t do FTT, it does GMT-Track.
There must be some benefit to FTT that we’re not realizing in BMS. Maybe BMS un-tracked GM is too perfect so we don’t see the benefit for FTT. And if FTT as described above would retain ground image frozen I would use it a lot more!
Yes, that might be a feature that still needs to be implemented.
I noticed the “Freeze” also still scans, which makes everything go blank if you turn cold. From what I heard, it should not do that and you should see your aircraft move on top of the frozen scan zone.
