Alaska Theater
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Hello,
Just wanted to throw this out there in hopes of inspiring someone, I do not expect anything from this thread other than possible a potential theater builder will see it and think it’s a good idea. I personally have limited knowledge on the creation of theaters other than what I have read on another site that shall not be named here (devs definitely know who I am talking and I don’t want to make anyone sick to their stomach :)). Essentially I know the creation of theaters and objectives, ect is the more/less the same through the Falcon versions.
Okay, now on to what I am really asking for here. We’ve seen the many attempts at Nevada so folks can fly some realistic Red Flag training missions, however they always never seem to come to fruition. Mostly because the actual area around Las Vegas is very detailed and if not done right, well to be frank it looks really unconvincing. I totally get that. So while I always keep an eye on Nevada threads, I look at the projects as not something to count on, but if it ever does actually be completed that would be a pleasant surprise.
So how about an easier area to recreate: Red Flag Alaska. There are absolutely some of the most beautiful mountains in the world within this US State and if you’ve ever watched vids of RFA you will know exactly what I’m talking about. Essentially they get to do low level flying in what everyone dreams of, amazing perpendicular ridge crossings with breath taking drops on the other side, plus they’re getting to learn some serious skills in tactical execution within the total force picture.
The reason I think it would be easy enough (again I admit that I am using this loosely and relatively speaking) is that most of Alaska is alpine and forested, making for far less detail, short some small towns that dot the Alaskan landscape. You could probably use the alpine textures from KTO or Balkans to get the majority of work done (assuming associated theater developers gave permissions of course! :rolleyes:) and it would mostly be about creating objectives and all that good stuff.
Has anyone ever attempted Alaska before and does anyone else hold the opinion this could and should be done? And that (again relatively speaking!) it is actually an easily doable project?
Look forward to seeing what others say, thank you!
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I have to ask… what’s the point?
For a theater to be viable (IMO) it needs to be able to support a campaign. For a campaign to work properly, you need plenty objectives to link together to aid good GU movement. For plenty objectives, you need a good road network too. Alaska is the last place on earth you’d go looking for a good road network.
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Alaska is the last place on earth you’d go looking for a good road network.
OTOH… it means dev can create fictional, simple road network.
Bering strait could be a better choice.
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Awesome idea and flying in Alaska most be the most beautiful feeling anyone can ever feel, but i think Nevada should be first then focus in other theaters. I hope everyone can have their dream place to fly someday on Bms(World map), but yes Alaska would be awesome……Good luck!!
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I have to ask… what’s the point?
For a theater to be viable (IMO) it needs to be able to support a campaign. For a campaign to work properly, you need plenty objectives to link together to aid good GU movement. For plenty objectives, you need a good road network too. Alaska is the last place on earth you’d go looking for a good road network.
Well, honestly to start flying fighters is waaaaaay more than just loading up in a war zone and blasting off, killing anything and everything you come across. There’s finesse, skill, knowledge, and so much more that goes into the whole thing. You don’t need a campaign in every theater, it’s more about having to learn new airspace (local area fam), local procedures, training in a new environment that is different than what you’re used to. It wouldn’t even be realistic to have a campaign in an Alaska Red Flag theater because the likelihood of a war being conducted on the Alaskan frontier is pretty low.
Any desires for combat would be easily done through TE. There are in fact many roads in Alaska, it’s just not super highways and big cities. It’s dirt roads that crisscross vast expanses of uninhabited land. The area that would need simulated is Eieleson Air Base and the theater would be your typical 700x700 mile theater. Here is a potential area that could be developed by someone with the skill/talent and know how. So it would be about simulating a realistic training area and less about flying combat missions. You could even have more civilian model aircraft in the theater than combat aircraft by modding the database, switching out models as appropriate. Sometimes to get more real to life things in this simulator you have to suspend disbelief in other areas. Falcon is one of those things where you can make it is as easy or close to real as you want.
This is approx 700 miles by 500 miles, just as an example. Looks like some great MOAs to train within, some great airfields, and absolutely kick ass terrain to me. That’s why I think it would be a great theater, thank you for the question!
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+1. Far too many folk take off and start blasting away without really learning to fly the airplane or use it’s systems. I think doing theaters where there are training Ranges and scenarios is a GREAT contribution to the MP environment and overall learning/training. I’ve been at this since the 80s and I’m still learning very interesting and useful things about how the jet flies - AND how to use them.
Frankly, I have little to no interest in the campaigns…I’d far rather get into a MP environment where there are real people flying blue on red.
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Hhmmm…
oh, come on! Yes. +100. Agree in full, flying a well conceived TE with real people in MP is a true experience and, in short, just why we are flying for.
Just my two cents, of course, but at the same time my meaning for the ‘real fun’ term after so many years of wondering around high.With best regards,
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+1. Far too many folk take off and start blasting away without really learning to fly the airplane or use it’s systems.
What? You can’t learn to fly and properly use the systems in Korea or another of the near fully developed theaters? Far too many have (mine included) been started out as great ideas, only to fail through a general malaise from the community - creating a theater takes a huge effort, I don’t think enough people appreciate just how much, and not nearly enough are prepared to get their hands dirty to see the process through.
Take a look at this forum alone - 14 sub-forums for different projects. How many would you say are close to being finished? 1 or 2 maybe? What we really need is a concerted effort to make what’s available much better, maybe even complete. After this is done we could look to create new terrains as yet untouched.
If all you’re after is eye-candy then all power to you, but I personally want more than just flying around looking at the pretty (and I use that word loosely) scenery.
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I think campaing-able terrains are good, but non-campaign terrains are ok too.
The only problem is…. there is no reason to spend single minute on BMS terrains, until the core engine is in dev state (and there is no relevant info what will bring the future). -
What? You can’t learn to fly and properly use the systems in Korea or another of the near fully developed theaters? Far too many have (mine included) been started out as great ideas, only to fail through a general malaise from the community - creating a theater takes a huge effort, I don’t think enough people appreciate just how much, and not nearly enough are prepared to get their hands dirty to see the process through.
Take a look at this forum alone - 14 sub-forums for different projects. How many would you say are close to being finished? 1 or 2 maybe? What we really need is a concerted effort to make what’s available much better, maybe even complete. After this is done we could look to create new terrains as yet untouched.
If all you’re after is eye-candy then all power to you, but I personally want more than just flying around looking at the pretty (and I use that word loosely) scenery.
Not the point. The point is to have more RW Training Ranges where MP activities can take place. The KOTAR Range in the Koreas is a great example…but only one. Red Flag scenarios in Alaska, the current Nevada Range project, both based in RW examples/ideas/rules of conduct - yeah, I love those ideas; bring 'em on! The fact that producing a Theater is difficult and is a long slog is understandable…I encourage folks to keep their efforts going. But I’d rather have these options available to use vice just “playing a game”…MMV
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I too have absolutely NO interest in campaigns or action or aerial warfare or linked objectives or ground war or…
Hang on… This IS the MSFS forum, right…? No…? I’m in a Military Flight Combat Simulation forum…?! WTF…?
My bad. I’m a dot. Got landscapes to check out…!!
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Not the point. The point is to have more RW Training Ranges where MP activities can take place. The KOTAR Range in the Koreas is a great example…but only one. Red Flag scenarios in Alaska, the current Nevada Range project, both based in RW examples/ideas/rules of conduct - yeah, I love those ideas; bring 'em on! The fact that producing a Theater is difficult and is a long slog is understandable…I encourage folks to keep their efforts going. But I’d rather have these options available to use vice just “playing a game”…MMV
Exactly! We do these massive training events together, where we all takeoff at the same time and then go to our individual MOAs to train whatever DLO we are out there for the day to knock out. Everyone says it’s an absolute blast and super immersive because you see everyone ramp, takeoff, and then you get the traffic on arrival when you come back. Sometimes if you’re training with tankers in the air, you’ll randomly meet flights when you get to the tanker and then have to use the applicable procedures of waiting a mile back until the last guy of the proceeding flight gets on the boom, then move up to observation left at that time. It’s the little details that everyone seems to enjoy, at least at my wing.
I too have absolutely NO interest in campaigns or action or aerial warfare or linked objectives or ground war or…
Hang on… This IS the MSFS forum, right…? No…? I’m in a Military Flight Combat Simulation forum…?! WTF…?
My bad. I’m a dot. Got landscapes to check out…!!
Ara-checkouttheterraininasimnotedforitsshitterrainwtf-Gorn
I hear you, I do think you’re misunderstanding the point of this hypothetical theater. It’s just about having somewhere to fly other than an active war zone and learning procedures, unlike ITO (Syria), KTO (North Korea), Balkans (Serbia). And just in response to your other post about lack of knowledge of the work involved, I do acknowledge it, even in my original post.
I’m not one who can spend the time on it because I have my VFW which eats up ALL of my free time and then some, but others don’t have the same constraints as I do, so it wasn’t to ask so much that it would be done, but more to get the idea into the communities consciousness so maybe one day, someone who does love building theaters might do it. I definitely have no expectation from just suggesting the question
As far as MSFS, it’s would be able using realistic airspace rules, some type of Red vs Blue ROE and the associated terrain that goes into it. It would be a great place to maintain the 16 odd some currency items that are required in the F-16 to be considered CMR.
So no worries, if you don’t see the value in that, it just might not be what you are looking for in your sim experience!
At any rate, wasn’t trying to make a controversial thread, just wanted someone to see this and say, “Hey! that’s a great idea, let’s see what we can do!” Hope that makes more sense to you gorn.
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Guys… would be very cool if it was made like Ikaros for exmple that it has in its settings via the configuration too choose between versions (training-Campaign mode) And everybody would be happy. And i believe that a cold war scenario over there would be awesome u know old days USSR vs USA… Think about it… it has a potential to be awesome if the landscape also is. One of the things i always enjoyed is the Balkans theater exactly for that for the landscape and i still prefer to fly a mission in Balakans rather in Korea.
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What would be WAY cool is if we had training Range theaters for all of the major operating Training Ranges/OP Areas world wide…and then VSs could host each other for MP exercises on local Ranges for “exchange training” like in RL.
But I can only but dream of such…:roll:…
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Guys… would be very cool if it was made like Ikaros for exmple that it has in its settings via the configuration too choose between versions (training-Campaign mode) And everybody would be happy. And i believe that a cold war scenario over there would be awesome u know old days USSR vs USA… Think about it… it has a potential to be awesome if the landscape also is. One of the things i always enjoyed is the Balkans theater exactly for that for the landscape and i still prefer to fly a mission in Balakans rather in Korea.
You’re telling me… wrong: don’t tell me that, mate
What would be WAY cool is if we had training Range theaters for all of the major operating Training Ranges/OP Areas world wide…and then VSs could host each other for MP exercises on local Ranges for “exchange training” like in RL.
But I can only but dream of such…:roll:…
So we are (at least) two
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