SA 10's are a beeeooottch!!
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Nurse, this is something I’ve wondered about. I’m unsure to what extent the EW birds are modeled, how effective.
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See there too.
https://www.benchmarksims.org/forum/showthread.php?10298-ECM-PACKAGE&p=132069&viewfull=1#post132069 -
If you fly with Prowler/Growler in the same package it used to jam the Sams. I do not now if this still works in 3.33
You only need one in the air, not in the same package.
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Nurse, this is something I’ve wondered about. I’m unsure to what extent the EW birds are modeled, how effective.
Me too. This past Sunday we flew a strike on Sunch’on airbase. It was a veritable SAM trap. No missions had flown near here up to that point in the campaign so all defenses were full strength. I included a Growler from the carrier to tag along. In the event, not a single SAM was fired at our package. I guessed afterwards that the Growler had made a difference. Of course there are other ways to explain the lack of engagements, but it sure ‘seemed’ to make a difference.
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Me too. This past Sunday we flew a strike on Sunch’on airbase. It was a veritable SAM trap. No missions had flown near here up to that point in the campaign so all defenses were full strength. I included a Growler from the carrier to tag along. In the event, not a single SAM was fired at our package. I guessed afterwards that the Growler had made a difference. Of course there are other ways to explain the lack of engagements, but it sure ‘seemed’ to make a difference.
Which is the other side of the coin, DBond. From the "Weaseling"perspective, you don’t want them to “hide”
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Yes, true. But I was a striker, so….
Just read the thread LorikEolmin linked. Great stuff, thanks very much for that. That is fantastic info right there.
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What’s really interesting to me in this is that manpads don’t appear to be modeled in BMS…they are in FAF, and I’ve been zapped by them there on numerous occasions. All this talk of “getting low” seems to be working without any regard to manpads.
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SA-7 (Grail) Strela-2 is in BMS anyway. KTO theater.
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Doesn’t seem to be very well deployed, based on what I’m reading here…
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I see it in pure infantry battalions. SP guns tend to have SA-13, same with mech. HQ units or anything with a BMP-CMD have SA-14s (plus 13 usually). None of these are manpads of course, but they fill the low level IR SAM role. Artillery battalions like the ones deployed on the HART sites in Rolling Fire also have SA-7 I believe.
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FAF appears to model both manpads and surface small arms fire on a pretty distributed basis - even in the Training missions, if you take some of them off-script…which can/will sure cure one of feeling “comfortable” flying low level.
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I just cant seem to not get blown up by those damn SA 10’s. tried that mission ive been working 3 times today and got shot down every time with no warning. (yes I know that’s normal with the SA 10’s) Its become personal now. I desperately have these need to destroy them. I tried using ef-18g to jam them but they got shot down by some migs so I then got shot down by the SA 10. So now I am going to jump in the cockpit of the EF-18g hornet, strap some 88’s under my wing and deliver them personally !
The question I have is how do I employ the electronic warfare of the EF-18? Do I just turn the jammer on and that’s it or is there other steps?
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I just cant seem to not get blown up by those damn SA 10’s. tried that mission ive been working 3 times today and got shot down every time with no warning. (yes I know that’s normal with the SA 10’s) Its become personal now. I desperately have these need to destroy them. I tried using ef-18g to jam them but they got shot down by some migs so I then got shot down by the SA 10. So now I am going to jump in the cockpit of the EF-18g hornet, strap some 88’s under my wing and deliver them personally !
The question I have is how do I employ the electronic warfare of the EF-18? Do I just turn the jammer on and that’s it or is there other steps?
Wray, I believe the answer is yes, and I have an alternative for you. That is, add a Growler to your package and let the AI “run the jammers”. Based on what we were talking about here yesterday, I tried that last night and I was able to engage as Striker.
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What’s really interesting to me in this is that manpads don’t appear to be modeled in BMS…they are in FAF, and I’ve been zapped by them there on numerous occasions. All this talk of “getting low” seems to be working without any regard to manpads.
Thanks for mentioning that, Stevie. I had the same thought, for AAA too, but wondered if I was imagining it. Maybe the BfB I’m flying now is a different tactical situation, but even in Korea it seemed when I went low in F4AF I would get hosed, and not so much here.
While we’re on the subject, is there a way too tweak that somewhere besides running the campaign on Ace level? -
it’s modeled, and modeled well enough. SA-14/16/18 are very deadly. shilkas could maybe use a little accuracy and that’s it.
personally unless i’m flying over the most desolate terrain where i am 100% sure there will be no enemies, i never dive below 14,000~ feet, either in korea or balkans. if you are over ~20 ft AGL or under 14,000 prepare to die.
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@Cik:
it’s modeled, and modeled well enough. SA-14/16/18 are very deadly. shilkas could maybe use a little accuracy and that’s it.
personally unless i’m flying over the most desolate terrain where i am 100% sure there will be no enemies, i never dive below 14,000~ feet, either in korea or balkans. if you are over ~20 ft AGL or under 14,000 prepare to die.
Ah, finally. That’s not just me
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@Cik:
it’s modeled, and modeled well enough. SA-14/16/18 are very deadly. shilkas could maybe use a little accuracy and that’s it.
This was changed around or for U3 I think……they are a lot more like I remember AF being now…and can verify in TEs.
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Thanks for mentioning that, Stevie. I had the same thought, for AAA too, but wondered if I was imagining it. Maybe the BfB I’m flying now is a different tactical situation, but even in Korea it seemed when I went low in F4AF I would get hosed, and not so much here.
What I’ve discovered in the FAF training missions is that if you go off script a Bogey will sometimes lure you into a situation where they can be supported by ground forces - AAA or manpads, but in the trainer that I like most for off-script work (the AIM-9 one) it’s usually manpads. After a few goes, once the bomber noted that I stopped a rear quarter attack it started luring me into territory off-route where I could be shot by manpads and/or small arms (on RWR indication)…which cured me of flying low level anywhere in KTOR and is far more RW, IMO. BMS seems a bit (a lot) more lax in this regard from what I’ve been reading of folks and their low-level exploits here.
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you can have low level exploits all you like as long as you are flying over entirely uninhabited countryside deep behind the FLOT.
if you try low level exploits anywhere else you will likely bite it inside 30s in my experience