Let me start with my background. I’m 57, played Falcon on an Amiga originally, bought Falcon 4.0 hard cover original game and played it for a long, long time, took a long break and picked up again when AF was issued and then BMS. Started getting into some MP (even though my internet connection at that time sucked) and had a blast and got away from the game for the past 5 years or so. I have a TM Warthog joystick/throttle and Saitek rudder pedals and two, 32" monitors. I also would like a good TM profile link.

With that all out of the way, here is my quandry. I’m a bit overwhelmed in where/how to start back playing? There are literally thousands of threads here and I guess I’m looking for some advice on how to get started again? I tried to do a ramp start the other day and just got frustrated. Could someone recommend a good, step by step approach to get started again? There are LOTS of youtube tutorials, some old, some new, but do you have a recommendation on which might help me get started? Thanks in advance.

@Tumbler31 Ya, this isn’t my first rodeo lol (57 year old gamer) and it could be easier and more intuitive, or idiot proof as I call it lol. Once I followed the direction verbatim, it was no issue. To be fair, I have installed a lot of games directly from my unzip program and have just gotten used to doing it that way, but BMS doesn’t like that at all. Been a long time (I think since 4.34) since I’ve played so relearning nearly everything…Ramp start here I come.

Let me start with my background. I’m 57, played Falcon on an Amiga originally, bought Falcon 4.0 hard cover original game and played it for a long, long time, took a long break and picked up again when AF was issued and then BMS. Started getting into some MP (even though my internet connection at that time sucked) and had a blast and got away from the game for the past 5 years or so. I have a TM Warthog joystick/throttle and Saitek rudder pedals and two, 32" monitors. I also would like a good TM profile link.

With that all out of the way, here is my quandry. I’m a bit overwhelmed in where/how to start back playing? There are literally thousands of threads here and I guess I’m looking for some advice on how to get started again? I tried to do a ramp start the other day and just got frustrated. Could someone recommend a good, step by step approach to get started again? There are LOTS of youtube tutorials, some old, some new, but do you have a recommendation on which might help me get started? Thanks in advance.

@Tumbler31 Ya, this isn’t my first rodeo lol (57 year old gamer) and it could be easier and more intuitive, or idiot proof as I call it lol. Once I followed the direction verbatim, it was no issue. To be fair, I have installed a lot of games directly from my unzip program and have just gotten used to doing it that way, but BMS doesn’t like that at all. Been a long time (I think since 4.34) since I’ve played so relearning nearly everything…Ramp start here I come.

@FALCAS-0 I screwed up my install of the U1 as well by trying to install it without unzipping it first. Make sure you unzip to a file, then start the setup.

@Tumbler31 Ok figured it out. I was installing inside of my zip program rather than unzipping it first. Once I did that and followed the direction EXACTLY, it worked fine. Sorry for the wild goose chase.

@Tumbler31 Ok I think I see a problem. There is no setup.exe in the my setup folder. All I have is a data folder.

@MaxWaldorf I did. It works without hyperthreading…I was testing to see if patch fixed it.

@Tumbler31 no joy…reinstalled driver and BMS…

@Tumbler31 not sure if/how to attach the files, so apologize if there is a way and I don’t see it.

[00:00:00.000] 12968   ****   Falcon 4.0   ****    
[00:00:00.000] 12968   ****   (C) 2022 Tommo Inc. All Rights Reserved.   ****

[00:00:00.000] 12968   ****   Falcon BMS 4.36.0 (x64) Build 26181   ****
[00:00:00.000] 12968   ****   (C) 2022 Benchmark Sims. All Rights Reserved.   ****

[00:00:00.000] 12968 Operating System: Windows 10 (10.0.22000)

[00:00:00.000] 12968 Valid F4 installation found [C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Falcon 4.0\falcon4.exe]
[00:00:00.000] 12968 Create window at 0, 0 with size 1024x768 (client) 1040x807 (window)
[00:00:00.000] 12968 WM_SIZE 0x0 to 1024x768
[00:00:00.000] 12968 SIZE_RESTORED other (SetWindowPos, mSwapChain->SetFullscreenState...)
[00:00:00.000] 12968 SIZE_RESTORED handle resize 0x0 to 1024x768
[00:00:00.000] 12968 WM_MOVE 0|0 to 0|0 (client pos to 8|31) delta -8|-31 for style -1865809920
[00:00:00.000] 12968 FalconMainWindowD3D11::handleOnActivate 0->1
[00:00:00.000] 12968 WM_ACTIVATEAPP 1, previous active window thread 25364
[00:00:00.000] 12968 WM_ACTIVATE 1 (minimized state 0), window handle being deactivated 0
[00:00:00.000] 12968 SetWindowLongPtr GWL_STYLE -1879048192
[00:00:00.000] 12968 SetWindowLongPtr GWL_EXSTYLE 0
[00:00:00.000] 12968 AppWindow::setBorderState: style changed position 0|0 to 0|0
[00:00:00.000] 12968 AppWindow::setBorderState: style changed size to w: 1024 (1024 - 0), h: 768 (768 - 0)
[00:00:00.000] 12968 WM_MOVE 0|0 to 0|0 (client pos to 0|0) delta 0|0 for style -1879048192
[00:00:00.000] 12968 SystemLevelInit
[00:00:00.000] 12968 Initializing Sim Memory Pools....
[00:00:00.000] 12968 DeviceIndependentGraphicsSetup ##
[00:00:00.000] 12968 TheLoader Setup ##
[00:00:00.000] 12968 Loading texture_POLAK.bin with 250 sets, 3471 tiles
[00:00:00.000] 12968 Flush References - start Cleanup if we don't get anything below in log, something wrong in here ##
[00:00:00.000] 12968 FlushReferences Cleanup ##
[00:00:00.000] 12968 ObjectLOD Cleanup ##
[00:00:00.000] 12968 TheTextureBank Cleanup ##
[00:00:00.000] 12968 ThePaletteBank Cleanup ##
[00:00:00.000] 12968 TheColorBank Cleanup ##
[00:00:00.000] 12968 Info: 3DDB is *new* format (more than 2GB supported)
[00:00:00.000] 12968 Terrain: Load
[00:00:00.000] 12968 Terrain max texID: 3991
[00:00:00.000] 12968 Theater's installed: Terrdata\theaterdefinition\Korea KTO.tdf 
[00:00:00.000] 12968 Theater's installed: Add-On Korea TvT\Terrdata\theaterdefinition\Korea_TvT.tdf 
[00:00:00.000] 12968 GetCurrentTheater Korea KTO
[00:00:00.000] 12968 TheaterReload
[00:00:00.000] 12968 theaterPath 'C:\Falcon BMS 4.36\Data\Terrdata\korea'
[00:00:00.000] 12968 terrainPath 'C:\Falcon BMS 4.36\Data\Terrdata\korea\terrain'
[00:00:00.000] 12968 Loading texture_POLAK.bin with 250 sets, 3471 tiles
[00:00:00.000] 12968 objectPath 'C:\Falcon BMS 4.36\Data\Terrdata\objects\KoreaObj'
[00:00:00.000] 12968 Flush References - start Cleanup if we don't get anything below in log, something wrong in here ##
[00:00:00.000] 12968 FlushReferences Cleanup ##
[00:00:00.000] 12968 ObjectLOD Cleanup ##
[00:00:00.000] 12968 TheTextureBank Cleanup ##
[00:00:00.000] 12968 ThePaletteBank Cleanup ##
[00:00:00.000] 12968 TheColorBank Cleanup ##
[00:00:00.000] 12968 Info: 3DDB is *new* format (more than 2GB supported)
[00:00:00.000] 12968 GetCurrentTheater Korea KTO
[00:00:00.000] 12968 Reading CT  data from XML -> C:\Falcon BMS 4.36\Data\Terrdata\objects\Falcon4_CT.XML
[00:00:00.000] 12968 Reading CT  data from XML -> Done,   4354 entries
[00:00:00.000] 12968 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[00:00:00.000] 12968 ~ Loading XMLs took ~ 0.696 seconds
[00:00:00.000] 12968 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[00:00:00.000] 12968 Reading Mission data from XML -> C:\Falcon BMS 4.36\Data\Campaign\MissionData_XX.XML
[00:00:00.000] 12968 Could not open visid.map 
[00:00:00.000] 12968 Terrain: Unload
[00:00:00.000] 12968 Terrain: Load
[00:00:00.000] 12968 Terrain max texID: 3991
[00:00:00.000] 12968 SoundDriver 0x00000000196A1C60
[00:00:00.000] 12968 Sound SetCooperativeLevel HWND=0x220996
[00:00:00.000] 12968 CreateSoundBuffer
[00:00:00.000] 12968 QueryInterface IID_IDirectSound3DListener
[00:00:00.000] 12968 Listener SetDistanceFactor
[00:00:00.000] 12968 Reading comm data from XML -> C:\Falcon BMS 4.36\Data\Sounds\commfile.xml
[00:00:00.000] 12968 Reading eval data from XML -> C:\Falcon BMS 4.36\Data\Sounds\evalfile.xml
[00:00:00.000] 12968 Reading frag data from XML -> C:\Falcon BMS 4.36\Data\Sounds\fragfile.xml
[00:00:00.000] 12968 SFX loading took 1858 ticks
[00:00:00.000] 12968 Version: R26181. 1.36.EBS.4_ | Apr 15 2022 | 21:59:56 | MSVC 1929
[00:00:00.000] 12968 Failed to get registry entries.
[00:00:00.000] 12968 GlobalSimpleThread starting 16 worker threads
[00:00:00.000] 12968 SystemLevelInit finished
[00:00:00.000] 12968 SimulationLoopControl::StartSim
[00:00:00.000] 12968 #Checksum ac.dat 35868d67
[00:00:00.000] 12968 * SplashScreen has been visible for 4.7 seconds
[00:00:00.000] 12968 * ..continue showing it for another 1.3 seconds
[00:00:00.000] 12968 3D device is not set up; checking DXGI and D3D11 support...
[00:00:00.000] 12968 Found DXGI support
[00:00:00.000] 12968 Created DXGIFactory
[00:00:00.000] 12968 Enumerating available adapters...
[00:00:00.000] 12968 Adapter: 0, Name: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER, DedicatedVideoMemory: 8012 MB, DedicatedSystemMemory: 0 MB, SharedSystemMemory: 16226 MB
[00:00:00.000] 12968 Adapter: 1, Name: Microsoft Basic Render Driver, DedicatedVideoMemory: 0 MB, DedicatedSystemMemory: 0 MB, SharedSystemMemory: 16226 MB
[00:00:00.000] 12968 Selecting adapter 0 from user settings
[00:00:00.000] 12968 RendererD3D11::cleanupDeviceResources...
[00:00:00.000] 12968 DeviceDependentGraphicsCleanup(nullptr);
[00:00:00.000] 12968 DeviceDependentGraphicsCleanup ##
[00:00:00.000] 12968 TheTextureBank.onDestroyDevice(), ObjectParent::FlushReferences() command count: 0
[00:00:00.000] 12968 ThePaletteBank.FlushHandles()
[00:00:00.000] 12968 GlobalSimpleThread.WaitForLoader()
[00:00:00.000] 12968 DeviceDependentGraphicsCleanup DONE ##
[00:00:00.000] 12968 TextureManager::onDestoyDevice size: 0
[00:00:00.000] 12968 TextureBankClass::DelayedRelease(force)
[00:00:00.000] 12968 Release 0 delayed resources
[00:00:00.000] 12968 Release 0 delayed resources DONE
[00:00:00.000] 12968 SwapChainImageBufferD3D11::Cleanup cleaning back buffer view 0000000000000000
[00:00:00.000] 12968 Upcoming device release. 0 delayed resources.
[00:00:00.000] 12968 RendererD3D11::cleanupDeviceResources...ok
[00:00:00.000] 12968 RendererD3D11::createDeviceOnAdapter(): Creating 3D device on adapter 0: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER

================================== CRASHLOG =====================================
Falcon BMS.exe caused an EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION in:
000000000460B17E Falcon BMS.exe, bp::RendererD3D11::FreeSystemResources()+126 byte(s), E:\WIP\BMS\SVN\Code-4.36\Graphics\Bluebox\Engine\D3D11\RendererD3D11.cpp, line 856+62 byte(s)
Exception handler called in UnhandledExceptionHandler.
Read from location 0000000000000008 caused an access violation.
Bytes at CS:RIP: 48 8B 41 08 48 89 30 48 8B 09 48 85 C9 74 18 0F 

Registers:
RAX=0x0000000000000000  RBX=0x000000000069d260  RCX=0x0000000000000000  RDX=0x0000000000000000
RSI=0x0000000000000000  RDI=0x000000000e366e50  RBP=0x0000000000000000  RSP=0x000000000014f840
RIP=0x000000000460b17e  FLG=0x0000000000010206  
 R8=0x0000000000000000   R9=0xffffffff00000000  R10=0xbaac1f10365eb170  R11=0x000000000014f9a0
R12=0x0000000004470000  R13=0x0000000000000000  R14=0x000000000e3626d0  R15=0x000000001150884e
CS=0x0033  DS=0x002B  SS=0x002B  ES=0x002B  FS=0x0053  GS=0x002B

Call Stack:
0033:000000000460B17E Falcon BMS.exe, bp::RendererD3D11::FreeSystemResources()+126 byte(s), E:\WIP\BMS\SVN\Code-4.36\Graphics\Bluebox\Engine\D3D11\RendererD3D11.cpp, line 856+62 byte(s), Parameters(0x000000002CC359F0 0x000000000014FB50 0x0000000018C00170 0x000000002CC359F0)
0033:000000000460AFED Falcon BMS.exe, bp::RendererD3D11::InitSystemResources()+45 byte(s), E:\WIP\BMS\SVN\Code-4.36\Graphics\Bluebox\Engine\D3D11\RendererD3D11.cpp, line 842, Parameters(0x000000002CC359F0 0x000000000014FB50 0x0000000018C00170 0x0000000000000001)
0033:00000000046120F3 Falcon BMS.exe, bp::RendererD3D11::createDeviceOnAdapter()+435 byte(s), E:\WIP\BMS\SVN\Code-4.36\Graphics\Bluebox\Engine\D3D11\RendererD3D11.cpp, line 4460, Parameters(0x000000000000B100 0x000000003219FD90 0x000000002CC367D0 0x0000000000000000)
0033:000000000449FB08 Falcon BMS.exe, HandleWinMain()+2008 byte(s), E:\WIP\BMS\SVN\Code-4.36\Ui\Src\Winmain.cpp, line 1082, Parameters(0x000000000277D450 0x0000000003CE4960 0x0000000000000000 0x000000000000006E)
0033:000000000449FD59 Falcon BMS.exe, WinMainWrapper()+25 byte(s), E:\WIP\BMS\SVN\Code-4.36\Ui\Src\Winmain.cpp, line 1178, Parameters(0x000000000277D450 0x000000000277D450 0x00000000005A6C51 0x000000000449FD40)
0033:00000000045113DD Falcon BMS.exe, ThreadUnhandledExceptionWrapper()+109 byte(s), E:\WIP\BMS\SVN\Code-4.36\FALCLIB\ehandler.cpp, line 1588+5 byte(s), Parameters(0x0000000004470000 0x0000000000000000 0x0000000000000000 0x0000000004E2AA44)
0033:000000000449FDC7 Falcon BMS.exe, WinMain()+71 byte(s), E:\WIP\BMS\SVN\Code-4.36\Ui\Src\Winmain.cpp, line 1206, Parameters(0x0000000000000005 0x0000000000000000 0x0000000000000000 0x0000000000000000)
0033:0000000004E14EE6 Falcon BMS.exe, __scrt_common_main_seh()+262 byte(s), d:\a01\_work\12\s\src\vctools\crt\vcstartup\src\startup\exe_common.inl, line 288+33 byte(s), Parameters(0x0000000000000000 0x0000000000000000 0x0000000000000000 0x0000000000000000)
0033:00000000442754E0 KERNEL32.DLL, BaseThreadInitThunk()+16 byte(s), Parameters(0x0000000000000000 0x0000000000000000 0x0000000000000000 0x0000000000000000)
0033:0000000045DA485B ntdll.dll, RtlUserThreadStart()+43 byte(s), Parameters(0x0000000000000000 0x0000000000000000 0x0000000000000000 0x0000000000000000)

Top of Stack:
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0x000000000014F860: 000000002CC35C60 000000000460AFED 000000002CC359F0 000000000014FB50 `\.,......`......Y.,....P.......
0x000000000014F880: 0000000018C00170 000000002CC359F0 000000002CC367D0 0000000000000000 p........Y.,.....g.,............
0x000000000014F8A0: 000000000014F9A0 00007FFB3D6124FC 000000003219FD90 00007FFB3D5C9C4F .........$a=.......2....O.\=....
0x000000000014F8C0: 000000000014FB00 0000000000000000 000000003219FD78 00007FFB3D5C9C4F ................x..2....O.\=....
0x000000000014F8E0: 0000000000000007 00007FFB3D606C4D 0000000000000000 000000002CC35C58 ........Ml`=............X\.,....
0x000000000014F900: 000000003219FCD0 00007FFB3D606C4D 000000000014FB00 00007FFB3D5C9C7F ...2....Ml`=..............\=....
0x000000000014F920: 000000000014F980 0000000000000000 000000000014FB50 0000000018C00170 ................P.......p.......
0x000000000014F940: 000000003219FCD0 00007FFB3D5D2657 0000000000000001 00007FFB3D607D0D ...2....W&]=.............}`=....
0x000000000014F960: 00007FFB3D7B77D8 00000000046197D0 0000000000000000 00007FFB3D682803 .w{=......a..............(h=....
0x000000000014F980: 0000000000000000 0000000018C00170 000000000014FB00 000000002CC35C60 ........p...............`\.,....
0x000000000014F9A0: 000000002CC359F0 0000000018C00170 000000000014FB00 000000002CC35C60 .Y.,....p...............`\.,....
0x000000000014F9C0: 000000000014FB00 00000000046120F3 000000002CC359F0 000000000014FB50 ......... a......Y.,....P.......
0x000000000014F9E0: 0000000018C00170 0000000000000001 000000000014FA50 0000000000000002 p...............P...............
0x000000000014FA00: 0000000000000007 000000002CC35C58 000000002CC35C80 000000002CC35C60 ........X\.,.....\.,....`\.,....
0x000000000014FA20: 0000000000000000 0000000000000000 000000000014FB50 00000000197C8260 ................P.......`.|.....
0x000000000014FA40: 0000000000000000 000000000449FB08 0000B0000000B100 000000003219FD90 ..........I................2....
0x000000000014FA60: 000000002CC367D0 0000000000000000 0000000000000000 0000000000000000 .g.,............................
0x000000000014FA80: 0000000000000400 0000000000000300 0000000000006645 000000000014FB00 ................Ef..............
0x000000000014FAA0: 0000000004EFF000 00000000000C0A15 000000000550BBB0 0000000000000000 ..................P.............
0x000000000014FAC0: 0000000003CD46C0 000000002CC33340 00000000197C8260 00000000197C82F0 [email protected],....`.|.......|.....
0x000000000014FAE0: 00000000197C82F0 000000000E7CFB80 000000000014FC00 0000000004C4D679 ..|.......|.............y.......
0x000000000014FB00: 0000000000000000 0000000016CFD700 0000000004E8CC20 000000000000001D ................ ...............
0x000000000014FB20: 000000000000001F 00000001F4C00000 0000000000000000 00000003F62D6800 .........................h-.....
0x000000000014FB40: 0000000000000003 0000000000000000 000000002CC359F0 000000000014FE48 .................Y.,....H.......
0x000000000014FB60: 000000000014FAC0 3032322E302E3031 0000000000003030 0000000000000000 ........10.0.22000..............
0x000000000014FB80: 0000000000000000 0000000000000000 0000000000000000 0000000000000000 ................................
0x000000000014FBA0: 2073776F646E6957 2073776F64003031 006E6F6973726576 0000000000000000 Windows 10.dows version.........
0x000000000014FBC0: 0000000000000000 0000000000000000 0000000000000000 0000000000000000 ................................
0x000000000014FBE0: 6F636C61465C3A43 2E3420534D42206E 785C6E69425C3633 6F636C61465C3436 C:\Falcon BMS 4.36\Bin\x64\Falco
0x000000000014FC00: 78652E534D42206E 0000000000000065 0000000000000000 0000000000000000 n BMS.exe.......................
0x000000000014FC20: 0000000000000000 00007FFB45DC99FD 000000000027000E 0000000000000040 ...........E......'[email protected]
0x000000000014FC40: 0000000002754E60 0000000000000000 0000000000000000 0000000000000000 `Nu.............................
0x000000000014FC60: 0000000000000000 00000000004018C0 000000000024001D 0000000000400000 [email protected][email protected]
0x000000000014FC80: 0000000000000040 00000000004002B0 0000000000400CC0 00007FFB45DC99FD @[email protected]@........E....
0x000000000014FCA0: 00000000000D009C 0000000000000030 00000000005E9440 0000000000000040 [email protected]^[email protected]
0x000000000014FCC0: 0000000000000000 0000000000000004 0000000000000000 0000000000401EC0 [email protected]
0x000000000014FCE0: 00000000005A0000 0000000000400000 20202A2A2A2A2020 206E6F636C614620 [email protected]  ****   Falcon 
0x000000000014FD00: 36332E3420534D42 293436782820302E 3220646C69754220 2A20202031383136 BMS 4.36.0 (x64) Build 26181   *
0x000000000014FD20: 00000000002A2A2A 0000000000000030 0000000000000000 0000000000000003 ***.....0.......................
0x000000000014FD40: 0000000000000000 000000000014FDF9 00000000005A0000 00007FFB45DC901A ..................Z........E....
0x000000000014FD60: 0000000000400000 0000000000000002 0000000000000020 0000000000000000 [email protected] ...............
0x000000000014FD80: 0000000000000000 00007FFB45DA6800 0000000000000000 0000000000000000 .........h.E....................
0x000000000014FDA0: 0000000000000002 00007FFB437AE5FB 0000000000000006 0000000000000005 ..........zC....................
0x000000000014FDC0: 00004D9EDF14529F 0000000000000000 0000000004511290 0000000004E179DC .R...M............Q......y......
0x000000000014FDE0: 0000000000000002 000000000E2B8EA0 00004D9EDF1452CF 000000000449D660 ..........+......R...M..`.I.....
0x000000000014FE00: 0000000000000000 0000000000000000 0000000000000000 0000000000000000 ................................
0x000000000014FE20: 000000000277D450 00000000005A6C51 0000000000000005 000000000449FD59 P.w.....QlZ.............Y.I.....
0x000000000014FE40: 000000000277D450 0000000003CE4960 0000000000000000 000000000000006E P.w.....`I..............n.......
0x000000000014FE60: 000000000449FD40 00000000045113DD 000000000277D450 000000000277D450 @.I.......Q.....P.w.....P.w.....
0x000000000014FE80: 00000000005A6C51 000000000449FD40 0000000000000000 000000000014E2C0 [email protected]
0x000000000014FEA0: 000000000014E2C0 0000000100000000 0000000000000000 000000000449FDC7 ..........................I.....
0x000000000014FEC0: 0000000004470000 0000000000000000 0000000000000000 0000000004E2AA44 ..G.....................D.......
0x000000000014FEE0: 0000000000000000 0000000004E14EE6 0000000000000005 0000000000000000 .........N......................
0x000000000014FF00: 0000000000000000 0000000000000000 0000000000000000 0000000000000000 ................................
0x000000000014FF20: 0000000000000000 00007FFB442754E0 0000000000000000 0000000000000000 .........T'D....................
0x000000000014FF40: 0000000000000000 0000000000000000 0000000000000000 00007FFB45DA485B ........................[H.E....
0x000000000014FF60: 0000000000000000 0000000000000000 0000000000000000 0000000000000000 ................................
0x000000000014FF80: 0000000000000000 0000000000000000 0000000000000000 0000000000000000 ................................
0x000000000014FFA0: 000004F0FFFFFB30 000004D0FFFFFB30 0000000000000021 0000000000000000 0.......0.......!...............
0x000000000014FFC0: 0000000000000000 0000000000000000 0000000000000000 0000000000000000 ................................
0x000000000014FFE0: 0000000000000000 0000000000000000 0000000000000000 0000000000000000 ................................

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@Tumbler31 Applied U1 and still have the same issue…was hoping U1 was going to fix it but unless I did something wrong it appears the problem still is there.

@Tumbler31 @MaxWaldorf thanks a lot guys. at least i have a band aid until this gets fixed. appreciate your quick responses.