Hi everyone. Been flying Falcon with an old and trusty Logitech Extreme 3d pro for quite some time.
But flying in a HOTAS aircraft with such limited hardware is a chore.

Thus I present you the HOGAS ! The poor man’s HOTAS.
With the help of Joystick Gremlin,Vjoy And HID-HIDE and a gamepad laying around you can experience the real basement pilot life.

-You need to setup 2 Vjoy devices, 1st one with 96 buttons and 1 HAT and 2nd one with 32 Buttons with no HAT (if you want to use my Gremlin profile. I randomly created the button numbers. Its a bit messy.)

-Right analog stick is setup as “Relative” in JG to make it act like an actual rotary axis. (radar elevation and man range doesn’t actually return to the center when let go. )

-Gamepad D-Pad acts as a modifier for TMS/CMS/DMS/Trim Hats. So you press the desired modifier and use the HAT on the stick to go up/down/left/right.

-You better hide your actual gamepad and joystick from the falcon using HID-Hide. it makes setting up much easier. (Otherwise, Launcher picks up actual buttons, not Vjoy device ones.)

Mapped button pictures and Joystick Gremlin profile in the link:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1kBQQCoPVHCJCbbIKTeo1GKqeBAOU18jY?usp=sharing

Great work @buraktunahan… would love to see your work on vipers as well !!

I tried sound setitngs in your folder but the engine sounds are too overwhelming. is there a way to solve or change this. cant hear anything over the engine itself.
And also bitching betty coming from the left audio channel only

Real nice, looking forward to see more units

@Dee-Jay Huge difference! Its not that i can read that from this wide of a fov but its not distracting and immersion breaking as before with artifacts. I think my default fov is 80 and max is 90. this two shot should be at 90.

@qawa @buraktunahan real nice work, love to see mudhen getting a facelift. Currently trying to “fix” current 4.37 F15E would love to use your work if its still relevant

Was a tester for U3 and i would be happy to be included in this one also ! Thanks @tiag

Discovered another issue. changing fov values doesnt seem to be doing anything.
tried changing default views fovs too still nothing.

Edit: Looks like only way you change the FOV of topgun views is to change default FOV on Falcon BMS User.cfg. sadly changing fov in game doesn’t work.

Converted @PeCa_Chuck 's much appreciated Topgun views into a format that can be used in new .txtpb structure.
Due to falcons limitations you can only use 4 at a time.

Usage :

• Open FalconBMS 4.37\Data\Sim\Acdata\F-16CM-50.txtpb (or another f-16 variant. i tested it only on cm50s but shouldn’t differ much)
  -Select and copy 4 TopGun views from the listed views
  -Paste them into

camera_views{
~~~~~~
}

-Enjoy.

Dont forget game will only recognise first 4 views that’s on camera_views. Backup original topgun cameras if you want to revert it in the future.

Known issues:
-Views that are inside the cockpit have issues with cockpit glass being opaque if glass viewed from shallow angle and have small positional errors.
-Other views can have small positional errors. only tested maybe half of it, feel free to post positional errors and I will try to fix the code snippet.
-Might break MP compatibility due to changing aircraft data. Depends on server’s setting enforcing same AC data.

TopGun Views

#Cockpit, High, Left
    top_gun_camera {
      x: 18.1
      y: -0.85
      z: -2.95
      yaw: -2
      pitch: 158.5
      roll: 0
      fov: 44.5
    }
	#Cockpit, High, Right
	top_gun_camera {
      x: 18.1 
      y: 0.85
      z: -2.95
      yaw: -2
      pitch: -158.5
      roll: 0
      fov: 44.5
    }	
	#Cockpit, Left
	top_gun_camera {
      x: 17.65
      y: -0.22
      z: -2.85
      yaw: 3.5
      pitch: 174
      roll: 0
      fov: 45
    }	
	#Cockpit, Left, Strafe
	top_gun_camera {
      x: 17.65
      y: -0.275
      z: -2.85
      yaw: 3.5
      pitch: 178
      roll: 0
      fov: 35
    }
	#Cockpit, Right, Low angle
	top_gun_camera {
      x: 18
      y: 0.25
      z: -1.65
      yaw: 22
      pitch: -172.5
      roll: 0
      fov: 55
    }
	#Cockpit, Right, Medium angle
	top_gun_camera {
      x: 18
      y: 0.25
      z: -2.25
      yaw: 13
      pitch: -173
      roll: 0
      fov: 50
    }	
	#Gunport, Forward
	top_gun_camera {
      x: 9
      y: -5.5
      z: -2.5
      yaw: -8
      pitch: 30
      roll: 0
      fov: 70
    }
	#Gunport, Backward
	top_gun_camera {
      x: 16
      y: -4.5
      z: -2
      yaw: -5
      pitch: -175
      roll: 0
      fov: 70
    }	
	#Canopy side, Forward, Left
	top_gun_camera {
      x: 14
      y: -4
      z: -4
      yaw: -20
      pitch: 51
      roll: 0
      fov: 70
    }	
	#Canopy side, Forward, Right
	top_gun_camera {
      x: 14
      y: 4
      z: -4
      yaw: -20
      pitch: -51
      roll: 0
      fov: 70
    }	
	#Nose Gear, Forward
	top_gun_camera {
      x: 4
      y: 0
      z: 3.6
      yaw: -5
      pitch: 0
      roll: 0
      fov: 70
    }	
	#Gear, Backward
	top_gun_camera {
      x: 15.5
      y: 0
      z: 4.5
      yaw: -5
      pitch: 180
      roll: 0
      fov: 70
    }	
	#Gear, Forward
	top_gun_camera {
      x: -10
      y: 0
      z: 3.25
      yaw: -5
      pitch: 0
      roll: 0
      fov: 70
    }	
	#Refuel, Upward, Left
	top_gun_camera {
      x: 4
      y: -20
      z: 2
      yaw: 12.5 
      pitch: 60
      roll: 0
      fov: 70
    }	
	#Refuel, Upward, Right
	top_gun_camera {
      x: 4
      y: 20
      z: 2
      yaw: 12.5 
      pitch: -60
      roll: 0
      fov: 70
    }	
	#Refuel, Tanker, Left
	top_gun_camera {
      x: 0
      y: -200
      z: -10
      yaw: 0
      pitch: 80 
      roll: -4.1
      fov: 35
    }	
	#Refuel, Tanker, Right
	top_gun_camera {
      x: 0
      y: 200
      z: -10
      yaw: 0
      pitch: -80 
      roll: 4.1
      fov: 35
    }	
	#Refuel door
	top_gun_camera {
      x: 2
      y: 2.5
      z: -5
      yaw: -40
      pitch: -120
      roll: 0
      fov: 70
    }	
	#TGP, Wide
	top_gun_camera {
      x: 18
      y: 10
      z: 5
      yaw: 10 
      pitch: -135
      roll: 0
      fov: 70
    }	
	#TGP, Narrow
	top_gun_camera {
      x: 18
      y: 10
      z: 5
      yaw: 9 
      pitch: -134 
      roll: 0
      fov: 35
    }	
	#AIM-9, Left
	top_gun_camera {
      x: -2
      y: -15
      z: 1.45
      yaw: 0
      pitch: 7.5
      roll: 0
      fov: 60
    }
	#AIM-9, Right
	top_gun_camera {
      x: -2
      y: 15
      z: 1.45
      yaw: 0
      pitch: -7.5
      roll: 0
      fov: 60
    }
	#AIM-9, Left, Moved back
	top_gun_camera {
      x: -3
      y: -15
      z: 1.45
      yaw: 0
      pitch: 7.5
      roll: 0
      fov: 60
    }
	#AIM-9, Right, Moved back
	top_gun_camera {
      x: -3
      y: 15
      z: 1.45
      yaw: 0
      pitch: -7.5
      roll: 0
      fov: 60
    }
	#AIM-9, Left, Moved back, Upward
	top_gun_camera {
      x: -3
      y: -15
      z: 1.45
      yaw: 7.5
      pitch: 7.5
      roll: 0
      fov: 60
    }
	#AIM-9, Right, Moved back, Upward
	top_gun_camera {
      x: -3
      y: 15
      z: 1.45
      yaw: 7.5
      pitch: -7.5
      roll: 0
      fov: 60
    }
	#AIM-9, Wingtip, Left
	top_gun_camera {
      x: -4
      y: -18
      z: 1
      yaw: 13
      pitch: 14
      roll: 0
      fov: 60
    }
	#AIM-9, Wingtip, Right
	top_gun_camera {
      x: -4
      y: 18
      z: 1
      yaw: 13
      pitch: -14
      roll: 0
      fov: 60
    }
	#Wingtip, Left
	top_gun_camera {
      x: -7
      y: -18
      z: -2
      yaw: -5
      pitch: 40
      roll: 0
      fov: 60
    }
	#Wingtip, Right
	top_gun_camera {
      x: -7
      y: 18
      z: -2
      yaw: -5
      pitch: -40
      roll: 0
      fov: 60
    }
	#Refuel, Downward, Wide
	top_gun_camera {
      x: 80
      y: 0
      z: -40
      yaw: -27.5
      pitch: 180
      roll: 0
      fov: 39
    }
	#Refuel, Downward, Nose
	top_gun_camera {
      x: 80
      y: 0 
      z: -40
      yaw: -32.5
      pitch: 180
      roll: 0
      fov: 22.5
    }
	#Refuel, Downward, Cockpit
	top_gun_camera {
      x: 80
      y: 0
      z: -40
      yaw: -29.85
      pitch: 180
      roll: 0
      fov: 9
    }
	#Refuel, Nose, Upward
	top_gun_camera {
      x: 17
      y: 0
      z: -4
      yaw: 29
      pitch: 0
      roll: 0
      fov: 110
    }
	#Weapon release, Left, Centered
	top_gun_camera {
      x: -250
      y: -422
      z: 3
      yaw: -0.25
      pitch: 59
      roll: -3
      fov: 20
    }
	#Weapon release, Right, Centered
	top_gun_camera {
      x: -250
      y: 422
      z: 3
      yaw: -0.25
      pitch: -59
      roll: 3
      fov: 20
    }
	#Weapon release, Left, Centered, Zoomed
	top_gun_camera {
      x: -250
      y: -422
      z: -40
      yaw: -4.75
      pitch: 58.5
      roll: -3
      fov: 4
    }
	#Weapon release, Right, Centered, Zoomed
	top_gun_camera {
      x: -250
      y: 422
      z: -40
      yaw: -4.75
      pitch: -58.5
      roll: 3
      fov: 4
    }
	#Weapon release, Left, Not centered
	top_gun_camera {
      x: -250
      y: -422
      z: 3
      yaw: -0.95
      pitch: 56.5
      roll: -3
      fov: 12
    }
	#Weapon release, Right, Not centered
	top_gun_camera {
      x: -250
      y: 422
      z: 3
      yaw: -0.95
      pitch: -56.5
      roll: 3
      fov: 12
    }
	#Weapon release, Left, 10 deg Rolled
	top_gun_camera {
      x: -250
      y: -422
      z: 3
      yaw: 0
      pitch: 56.5
      roll: 10
      fov: 12
    }
	#Weapon release, Right, 10 deg Rolled
	top_gun_camera {
      x: -250
      y: 422
      z: 3
      yaw: 0
      pitch: -56.5
      roll: -10
      fov: 12
    }
	#Weapon release, Left, 20 deg Rolled
	top_gun_camera {
      x: -250
      y: -422
      z: 3
      yaw: 0.2
      pitch: 56.5
      roll: 20
      fov: 12
    }
	#Weapon release, Right, 20 deg Rolled
	top_gun_camera {
      x: -250
      y: 422
      z: 3
      yaw: 0.2
      pitch: -56.5
      roll: -20
      fov: 12
    }
	#Weapon release, Left, 30 deg Rolled
	top_gun_camera {
      x: -250
      y: -422
      z: 3
      yaw: 1
      pitch: 56.5
      roll: 30
      fov: 12
    }
	#Weapon release, Right, 30 deg Rolled
	top_gun_camera {
      x: -250
      y: 422
      z: 3
      yaw: 1
      pitch: -56.5
      roll: -30
      fov: 12
    }
	#Weapon release, Left, 45 deg Rolled
	top_gun_camera {
      x: -250
      y: -422
      z: 3
      yaw: 2
      pitch: 56.5
      roll: 45
      fov: 12
    }
	#Weapon release, Right, 45 deg Rolled
	top_gun_camera {
      x: -250
      y: 422
      z: 3
      yaw: 2
      pitch: -56.5
      roll: -45	
      fov: 12
    }
	#Nose, Left
	top_gun_camera {
      x: 16
      y: -3
      z: -4
      yaw: -20
      pitch: 20
      roll: 0
      fov: 70
    }
	#Nose, Right
	top_gun_camera {
      x: 16
      y: 3
      z: -4
      yaw: -20
      pitch: -20
      roll: 0
      fov: 70
    }
	#Nose, Middle Left
	top_gun_camera {
      x: 17
      y: -1
      z: -4
      yaw: -18
      pitch: 7.5
      roll: 0
      fov: 70
    }
	#6 o'clock, Left
	top_gun_camera {
      x: -8
      y: -4.5
      z: -2
      yaw: 2
      pitch: 172.5 
      roll: 0
      fov: 70
    }
	#6 o'clock, Right
	top_gun_camera {
      x: -8
      y: 4.5
      z: -2
      yaw: 2
      pitch: -172.5 
      roll: 0
      fov: 70
    }
	#Nozzle, Left
	top_gun_camera {
      x: -32
      y: -13
      z: 4
      yaw: 10 
      pitch: 20
      roll: 0
      fov: 60
    }
	#Nozzle, Right
	top_gun_camera {
      x: -32
      y: 13
      z: 4
      yaw: 10 
      pitch: -20
      roll: 0
      fov: 60
    }

Is it possible to somehow have more than 4 TopGun views ?

@GlasgowJets my filter values look verry similar to yours maybe a tad bigger deadzones, playing sith all the values up and down doesnt seem to do much tbh (in terms of this specific jitter)

@hoover yes game fps is capped at 75hz

To opentrack grus arround here, i have a small amount of jitter that i cant just get away from.

My leds are clearly visible at all times and their size seems consistent enough in video feed
here are my tracker setup, im using 200hz so it gives arround 180fps ( fluctuates a bit ) so i do think it has enough frames to be precise

jitter only really noticeable on high zoom or when i move fast something close and im tracking that object with my head
like buzzing the tower/flying past an aircraft in dogfight etc

@Razor161 Nothing mentioned in that post fixed the issue installed both c++ redist and netframework

And of course I cant install .net framework 4.0 since its support has ended way back in 2016 and windows says you already have the newer version, it should still work with new .net frameworks but clearly something is not right

Third edit : copied same .dll from WDP folder to MC and it now works. Total PIA. Cant wait for replacement for both WDP and MC

@Razor161 looks like a netframework error or c++ redist or both… however links on the topic seem dead but will try to install those and report back (they should be installed already but will give it a try anyways)

Having this problem on whenever i try to load any te or cam into mc

Unhandled exception has occurred in your application. If you click Continue, the application will ignore this error and attempt to continue. If you click Quit, the application will close immediately.
Unable to load DLL "Lzss Native.dll': The specified module could not be found. (Exception from HRESULT: 0x8007007E).

Deadzone on the slew axis is the answer. But only trough the launcher. Dont put deadzones trough any other joystick utility. While deadzone itself works it doesnt solve the point track issue for some reason.

And it doesnt matter if your slew axis shows up any drift/jitter or not on any utility program. The issue still happens and only happens in bms tgp (my radar cursor was dead on ie.)

I pulled my hairs trying to solve this since i didnt believed i needed an deadzone on my perfectly-fine-in-everywhere-else-analog-stick. Windows didnt showed any drift/jitter, every other game and bms sensors were ok but the tgp couldnt hold a point track. I tried settign the deadzone from joystick gremlin just so i can finetune amount unlike the launcher (small medium large) and while the deadzone was there, the issue remained. Only the launcher axis setting was the cure