Many thanks for the file Terminator, I loaded the software programme supposedly making it easy for programming the sticks (Ive been flying on a Cyborg Gold 3D joystick until now but after building a couple of desktop fron supports for my hotas I have finally set that up, and (being left handed) face the prospect of having to learn to fly with my right hand. This will save some time once I have sorted out what all of the keys are and give me a starting point where someone with more experience than me has chosen to place the most used controls on the Hotas configurations. Once again many thanks.