PC specs for Falcon BMS+ MFD Extractor
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Hi all!
I need some info.
I run BMS on a primary monitor (Samsung T24D390) with MFDe esporting MFDs + other instruments on a second monitor (IBM L170 TFT) and i esperienced 10/20 FPS drops!
This is my PC configuration:Mother Board: ASUS P7H55-M LX
CPU: Intel I5 650
RAM: 8 GB
GPU: ASUS ENGTX560 DCII TOP 1GB VRAM
HDD: Seagate Barracuda ST310000528AS 7200 RPM 1 TB with 60 GB partition only for BMS (all other programs installed in the remaining HDD space, i.e. MFDe)Without MFDe, BMS works Fine (45/80 FPS) (115 FPS in TE Basic Handling)
With MFDe enabled FPS drops to 22 (lowest value) (in campaign mission, over the FLOT line with maximum air/groud activity)
MAX RAM USAGE don’t exceed 3.3 GB.
I’ve tried to change all settings but the real problems comes out when i activate MFDe.
Screen resolution: 1920x1080Few questions:
- Is the CPU too weak?
- Should i Change it with another CPU (LGA 1156), 4 cores (i.e. i5 3350P)?
Thank you so mutch!!!
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CPU and GPU
For CPU you can overclock it.
First of other guys will jump saying that overclock is dangerous and so on and so forth.
Yes it is. BUT if you search - ask and learn you can save some money and gain the extra power.You can also oc the GPU but not that much as the cpu.
Don’t expect to go back to 45/80 fps with MFDe. You will need a monster pc. Think of it like running falcon 1.5 to 2 times at the same time… gfx and cpu are screaming for more resources and bandwidth…
Best case scenario you end up to a stable 25-30 fps…
Also depends on your screen resolution.
In general something close to 4Ghz for CPU and a VGA as fast and with much VRAM +3GB as your pocket can handle.
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Really fast, because I don’t have much time this morning, a CPU upgrade would help significantly. I run an A6-3650 which is quite comparable to yours, and also notice when I hit the flot, I get big fps drops. Your suggestion of the i5-3350P would get you about double the performance of you current CPU (edit and about a 40% increase in single thread apps, which BMS is - see single thread score and 4690 would effectively put you at double @ 2228 not shown in chart) If you are going to drop money, you might want to spring for just a tad bit more, another $30 or so will get you a significantly better price performance ratio, like an i5-4690. I need to point out to you, that you will need a new mobo, as your old mobo supports LGA1156 and i5-3350p is LGA1155, and even 4690 is LGA1150. The sockets must exactly match the CPU a 55 wont go in a 56 mobo - pin incompatibility, different voltages.
Also, your GTX 650 is more than likely probably not up to the task, so you might want to look at replacing that with something stouter (like a beer, no j/k) like GTX 570 and up, or R9 270 and up….
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CPU Mark is not a good measure. Sure is a good indication BUT
Falcon is the real and Actual BENCHMARK to see if it’s good or not for the Job.
So better guys with MFDe answer to this post… Also BlackGio post your screen resolution and your VGA VRAM to complete your specs and needs.
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Thank you guys!Well i would try to save money first! I run BMS in 1920x1080. I’ve got good FPS (AVG 35) just now. Only FPS drop in a MAXIMUM cahotic scenario, also at ground i don’t go down 30 FPS… So a good OC can give me some extra FPS?
What i need to OC? A new cpu cooler i tink…
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Resolution 1920x1080. ASUS ENGeForce Gtx 560 CUII TOP 1GB
I’ve updated this info in the 1st post now. -
CPU Mark is not a good measure. Sure is a good indication BUT
Falcon is the real and Actual BENCHMARK to see if it’s good or not for the Job.
Arty,
It is a reference, and an excellent one. I would use BMS data if we had a database to compare FPS and hardware. Since we don’t, I use Passmark.
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Thank you guys!Well i would try to save money first! I run BMS in 1920x1080. I’ve got good FPS (AVG 35) just now. Only FPS drop in a MAXIMUM cahotic scenario, also at ground i don’t go down 30 FPS… So a good OC can give me some extra FPS?
What i need to OC? A new cpu cooler i tink…
Any suggestions?I have not Oc’ed much. I have used SetFSB on an Intel Atom N270 to get it to play 1080 content
You can do it through BIOS, or through software such as SetFSB.
You may or may not need a new cooler. It just depends on what your specific chip will do and what you want from it, but you might. You can run 3rd party software to monitor temps - such as HWmonitor.
This guide should get you going.
http://www.overclockers.com/3-step-guide-overclock-core-i3-i5-i7/Have fun
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Hi all!
I need some info.
I run BMS on a primary monitor (Samsung T24D390) with MFDe esporting MFDs + other instruments on a second monitor (IBM L170 TFT) and i esperienced 10/20 FPS drops!\
This is my PC configuration:Without MFDe, BMS works Fine (45/80 FPS) (115 FPS in TE Basic Handling)
With MFDe enabled FPS drops to 22 (lowest value) (in campaign mission, over the FLOT line with maximum air/groud activity)
MAX RAM USAGE don’t exceed 3.3 GB.
I’ve tried to change all settings but the real problems comes out when i activate MFDe.
Screen resolution: 1920x1080Are you using the BMS MFD extraction or Lightning’s MFDE ?
I lose about 15 FPS with BMS MFD extract , but Lightnings version is lighter on FPS. (I’m on a i5 3570k @3.8)
If you can squeeze a few more kHz out of the i5 you will notice a difference,
I would recommend a GPU upgrade but the 560 is still a semi decent card.
The ASUS P7H55-M LX still looks like a capable DDR3 Mobo , a few years old now, but !
A i5 3350p seems to be a good option if you can get one cheap…… http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/451/Intel_Core_i5_i5-3350P_vs_Intel_Core_i5_i5-650.html
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Are you using the BMS MFD extraction or Lightning’s MFDE ?
I lose about 15 FPS with BMS MFD extract , but Lightnings version is lighter on FPS. (I’m on a i5 3570k @3.8)
If you can squeeze a few more kHz out of the i5 you will notice a difference,
I would recommend a GPU upgrade but the 560 is still a semi decent card.
The ASUS P7H55-M LX still looks like a capable DDR3 Mobo , a few years old now, but !
A i5 3350p seems to be a good option if you can get one cheap…… http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/451/Intel_Core_i5_i5-3350P_vs_Intel_Core_i5_i5-650.html
I’m using Lightening MFDe, not the BMS extraction tool.
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I have not Oc’ed much. I have used SetFSB on an Intel Atom N270 to get it to play 1080 content
You can do it through BIOS, or through software such as SetFSB.
You may or may not need a new cooler. It just depends on what your specific chip will do and what you want from it, but you might. You can run 3rd party software to monitor temps - such as HWmonitor.
This guide should get you going.
http://www.overclockers.com/3-step-guide-overclock-core-i3-i5-i7/Have fun
Ok, i’ll try with this tool. Thak you so mutch!
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I have not Oc’ed much. I have used SetFSB on an Intel Atom N270 to get it to play 1080 content
You can do it through BIOS, or through software such as SetFSB.
You may or may not need a new cooler. It just depends on what your specific chip will do and what you want from it, but you might. You can run 3rd party software to monitor temps - such as HWmonitor.
This guide should get you going.
http://www.overclockers.com/3-step-guide-overclock-core-i3-i5-i7/Have fun
I’ve downloaded SETFSB V 2.2.134.98 first (FREEWARE version). My PLL (ICS9LRS954A4GLF) is not listed in the program! Searching in the web i found my mobo with another PLL (ICS9LPRS954BGLF). So i’ve tried it but it doesn’t work!
So i’ve downloaded a newest version of SETFSB, V 2.3.178.134 (SHAREWARE version!). Again My PLL is not listed, but i try again with PLL found on the web and this time it works! It shows me all frequences, BUT, because it’s a Sharewere version, i can’t overclock!!! My question is: why with first version the SAME PLL doesn’t work?? I won’t pay for unblock the tool and than discover that it’s impossible to set up my FSB.
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for overclocking I believe best is BIOS settings. New Mobos and specially versions for overclocking should use the manufacturers tools which do a great work.
For the CPU I believe you will be able to go to 3.8 depending if your cpu and mobo are unlocked and capable. For example my current cpu can go higher but my mobo can’t so I’m stack at where I am now.
About your VGA I would say 1GB for what you want to do is bellow specs. You can run a vga monitoring tool at the same time while u run falcon and afterwards see the numbers. IIRC GPUID has such monitoring capabilities… it writes a log file and you can see afterwards max. values and spot some bottlenecks.
Running at the same time a cpu monitoring with log capabilities you will be able to cross check both of them cpu and gpu usage.Overclocking your CPU consider a good cooler for the CPU and in general inside the case to have a good flow of air. Low front an intake fan to blow cold air and top back an outtake fan to blow out the hot air from the case.
Go by steps one step at a time… if you are on 3.0Ghz take it to 3.1 then 3.2 then 3.3 then 3.4 and so on. In every step take the time and boot in the OS system and start some programs and observe behavior. Overclocking might slow down your system if not tuned up correctly, with some settings it might cause worst bottlenecks and have longer boot times for example even if your CPU runs faster.
When you overdo it at one step the system will tell you by experiencing a no boot - no post in bios (this is the worst case) or by having crashes or blue screens of death inside the OS or while running some progs. Then you step back one step. example if you where at 3.8Ghz and the system is not stable you go back to 3.6Ghz for example. Don’t forget to check the temps… Run a tool that will have the CPU at 100% and leave it for some hours running by checking the temps.In case you get a no post in BIOS means you overclocked beyond the systems tolerance… and it will not boot at all like your computer just died. Don’t panic. Just locate the switch or jumper in your mobo and reset the bios. it will go to factory default settings and will boot again. In some cases for this to work you must change the position of the jumper and power on the pc… it will not do anything, (actually it does, it resets bios values, but you don’t see anything) power off the pc and put the jumper back to the correct position, now power up your pc.
There are many good guides out there how to perform overclocking on your CPU Motherboard combination. Read them , understand them and then start with small steps.
this is a good read: http://www.techreaction.net/2010/09/07/3-step-overclocking-guide-clarkdale/
here: http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/263091-29-overclocking-intel-safely one guy says he runs on air at 4.1 since day one.
So there is hope… for the CPU.
Also as for software give a try at GameBooster it will help you easily kill processes and services that take resources and are not needed to run at all or while you run Falcon so this helps on performance.
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for overclocking I believe best is BIOS settings. New Mobos and specially versions for overclocking should use the manufacturers tools which do a great work.
For the CPU I believe you will be able to go to 3.8 depending if your cpu and mobo are unlocked and capable. For example my current cpu can go higher but my mobo can’t so I’m stack at where I am now.
About your VGA I would say 1GB for what you want to do is bellow specs. You can run a vga monitoring tool at the same time while u run falcon and afterwards see the numbers. IIRC GPUID has such monitoring capabilities… it writes a log file and you can see afterwards max. values and spot some bottlenecks.
Running at the same time a cpu monitoring with log capabilities you will be able to cross check both of them cpu and gpu usage.Overclocking your CPU consider a good cooler for the CPU and in general inside the case to have a good flow of air. Low front an intake fan to blow cold air and top back an outtake fan to blow out the hot air from the case.
Go by steps one step at a time… if you are on 3.0Ghz take it to 3.1 then 3.2 then 3.3 then 3.4 and so on. In every step take the time and boot in the OS system and start some programs and observe behavior. Overclocking might slow down your system if not tuned up correctly, with some settings it might cause worst bottlenecks and have longer boot times for example even if your CPU runs faster.
When you overdo it at one step the system will tell you by experiencing a no boot - no post in bios (this is the worst case) or by having crashes or blue screens of death inside the OS or while running some progs. Then you step back one step. example if you where at 3.8Ghz and the system is not stable you go back to 3.6Ghz for example. Don’t forget to check the temps… Run a tool that will have the CPU at 100% and leave it for some hours running by checking the temps.In case you get a no post in BIOS means you overclocked beyond the systems tolerance… and it will not boot at all like your computer just died. Don’t panic. Just locate the switch or jumper in your mobo and reset the bios. it will go to factory default settings and will boot again. In some cases for this to work you must change the position of the jumper and power on the pc… it will not do anything, (actually it does, it resets bios values, but you don’t see anything) power off the pc and put the jumper back to the correct position, now power up your pc.
There are many good guides out there how to perform overclocking on your CPU Motherboard combination. Read them , understand them and then start with small steps.
this is a good read: http://www.techreaction.net/2010/09/07/3-step-overclocking-guide-clarkdale/
here: http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/263091-29-overclocking-intel-safely one guy says he runs on air at 4.1 since day one.
So there is hope… for the CPU.
Also as for software give a try at GameBooster it will help you easily kill processes and services that take resources and are not needed to run at all or while you run Falcon so this helps on performance.
Ok i’ll give a try! Thank you so mutch Arty! As soon as i can i will post logs about CPU and GPU usage under BMS+MFDe!
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Ok. I’ve made a test, running BMS with MFDe on and monitored GPU VRAM Usage: 925MB on flot line with medium/high activity, but maybe this value can be higher in a more complex scenario (more jets, ground units etc…)…
So… do you think i should try to overclock my CPU or simply change My GPU? What GPU do you suggest for BMS with MFDe? No matter other things, only good for BMS+MFDe.
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Well, sometimes i overshoot 1GB even if i run BMS on a single Monitor (without MFDe). I think i need a new GPU. What you suggest?
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for overclocking I believe best is BIOS settings.
This is true. BlackGio, I should have been more descriptive in my post telling you to use bios. That’s kinda why I had the guide link at the bottom. Miscommunication, sorry. The N270 I was referring to could only be oc’ed with SetFSB, and I was sharing my experience.
Go by steps one step at a time… if you are on 3.0Ghz take it to 3.1 then 3.2 then 3.3 then 3.4 and so on. In every step take the time and boot in the OS system and start some programs and observe behavior. Overclocking might slow down your system if not tuned up correctly, with some settings it might cause worst bottlenecks and have longer boot times for example even if your CPU runs faster.
When you overdo it at one step the system will tell you by experiencing a no boot - no post in bios (this is the worst case) or by having crashes or blue screens of death inside the OS or while running some progs. Then you step back one step. example if you where at 3.8Ghz and the system is not stable you go back to 3.6Ghz for example. Don’t forget to check the temps… Run a tool that will have the CPU at 100% and leave it for some hours running by checking the temps.In case you get a no post in BIOS means you overclocked beyond the systems tolerance… and it will not boot at all like your computer just died. Don’t panic. Just locate the switch or jumper in your mobo and reset the bios. it will go to factory default settings and will boot again. In some cases for this to work you must change the position of the jumper and power on the pc… it will not do anything, (actually it does, it resets bios values, but you don’t see anything) power off the pc and put the jumper back to the correct position, now power up your pc.
There are many good guides out there how to perform overclocking on your CPU Motherboard combination. Read them , understand them and then start with small steps.
Good stuff, Arty.
You can also run memtest86 software or Prime95 type software to stress the computer, which test stability under the current settings or just play BMS for 24 hrs straight
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So… do you think i should try to overclock my CPU or simply change My GPU? What GPU do you suggest for BMS with MFDe? No matter other things, only good for BMS+MFDe.
ThanksIf it was me, I would OC the cpu first, to see what I would get and decide if I am happy with the results. If I was not, then I would consider new hardware. Might as well use what you got before opening up the wallet. As Arty said above, go slow, go in steps.
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So you see the bottleneck is obvious…
for the GPU as much as your pocket can handle. Don’t go lower than 3gb of vram. Also consider the scenario you might want to go multi monitor like 2 or 3 monitors and MFDe…In my case with such solutions mobile mostly for mfd’s and instruments, it goes down to 19 - 25 fps on TE’s imagine in a campaign… it will be worst.
I’m in your point actually, but waiting (3-4 weeks) for the new 4.33 version to see what goes on and then decide for my hardware upgrades…
I’m sure I will need it… I already do… In my case I don’t have the money for a decent upgrade and maybe will go for mobo cpu and ram upgrade. I would love a 4-6gb 980GTX overclocked but… too expensive. If the cpu mobo ram isn’t needed maybe I will go just for the vga but I fear my mobo pci express bandwidth will not be enough.
You can see my current specs in my sig. I have both CPU and GPU overclocked while falcon is on. I bought the cougar mfd’s and will try giguras solution that maybe will be better for my specs to just display the mfds.
So experiment with what you have and wait for 4.33’s baby cry…
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Ok. 3-4 Falcon Weeks if i’m not wrong… XD thank you all for your answers and time!