Any Cougars for sale? Or forget it and go for the warthog?
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I still have my Cougar bought in 2001 modded FSSB and using a Warthog grip on the Cougar+FSSB base. But I am still dreaming and hoping for an F-16 COUGAR MkII based on Warthog quality with force sensors in series.
Same here.
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I don’t think I would like the antenna elevation on buttons, I really like it on a dial like it is on my x52.
It’s actually not that big of a deal using TARGET to set up things like Ant Ele and trim on the WH. I would prefer it to be on a rotary as well but you can program it to just hold the button in one direction and it will continually make the input until released so IMHO it is a suitable substitute and add in the other bonuses l3crusader mentioned earlier myself I wouldn’t go any other way now.
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Stubbies, thanks for the advice. I just bought a warthog. Thanks to everyone for the info and advice. I should get it on Thursday or Friday. Can’t wait. Plus I bought a 3yr warranty for 17 bucks. Just feels better than risking a lot of money on a cougar that can break any day.
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Congrats and welcome to the Thrustmaster family.
I use a Cougar-FSSB-R1/WHogStickGrip and TQS-TUSBA-R2/Miles-HallThrottlePotMod for BMS, and a Stock Warthog for DCS with Baur WW2 KG-13D Me109 grip. Switch between the two controller sets with a hardware data selector with push buttons.
Because the Cougar is no longer sold or supported by TM, over the years I’ve stashed away a few extras. Never can have too many backups I always say. Also have the Cougar-FCC3 force mod and it’s just as good as the FSSB.
Buying used Cougars or WartHog’s off eBay or elsewhere, one has to be very careful as there are good, bad and ugly sets and sellers out there. I’ve had great success and a few lemons. You have to ask all the questions upfront about the condition and functionality. Then, packaging is everything to receiving the set undamaged.
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I think I scared him away from the Cougar by giving him the complete picture. And he’s got the wrong impression that the Cougar “can break any day.” Oh well… can’t go wrong with a Warthog!!
Welcome to the TM family and the WH is a great HOTAS! Enjoy!
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Ice I may still buy that off of you one day if no one else snatches it up. Its just that about $500 with no guarantee is a lot of money. I just feel better with a 3 year warranty from assurion that cost 17 bucks to go along with the warthog, which I know is brand new and currently supported by thrustmaster.
And actually you helped me with all the info. I really appreciate it. I think that this community is just fantastic.
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No worries at all Scott, and like I said, I totally understand where you’re coming from!
However, there is a reason why Cougars are advertised as “100% working” because most of them would need a little love. Some sooner, some later – THAT is the guarantee. But with the right mods, these things can be bulletproof!! Ask any UberNXT-, Evenstrain-, FSSB-, FCC-, and HALL sensor-modded Cougar owner. Heck, I’d even rate the UberNXT mod to be way better than the WH stock gimbals… And then there are some mods that the Cougar just HAS to have, like the HALL sensor mod for the throttle… Long story short, the Cougar is not for someone who expects to just sit down and play, but if the time is spent to iron out the flaws…
This project was what I wanted to do with the Cougars, but unfortunately didn’t have the skill or more importantly, the time…
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Very cool video. Once I win the lotto I’m buying a cock pit, unless I can buy a real F-16 from Turkey or something! ��
So Ice, what do you use now, a stock warthog?
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This project was what I wanted to do with the Cougars, but unfortunately didn’t have the skill or more importantly, the time…
Never mind the money investment for something like that. The throttle working in that video is pretty darn close to matching the real jet.
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Stock WH for the past 6 years, yes.
As for that throttle mod, if someone had that pre-made and was selling it in kit form, well…. money won’t be a barrier for very long!
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I have a Cougar HOTAS throttle and stick that should be in good operating condition. Last used with FW Allied Force when that was working. I’ve just run across this BMS update and thought I’d drag this out and try it. I have the Hall sensor mods done and I can’t remember how to reverse the Y axis. I’ve tried the CCP, but I’m sure I’m missing something. I’d like to get this going again, but I guess if the offer is right, I might just sell it and skip the frustration. The stick also has the gimble mod done by the machinist out in Australia.
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Don’t sell it, try BMS first and be really sure that you want to sell it.
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I have a Cougar HOTAS throttle and stick that should be in good operating condition. Last used with FW Allied Force when that was working. I’ve just run across this BMS update and thought I’d drag this out and try it. I have the Hall sensor mods done and I can’t remember how to reverse the Y axis. I’ve tried the CCP, but I’m sure I’m missing something. I’d like to get this going again, but I guess if the offer is right, I might just sell it and skip the frustration. The stick also has the gimble mod done by the machinist out in Australia.
No offense, but seems a bit extreme over a trivial thing. Stick at it, it’s worth it
In CCP, In grid 2Y, turn the + to a - by simply clicking on it and saving/applying. Or, just check the reverse button in BMS settings on the pitch/elevator axis. Done
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Been using my Cougar DAILY since 2002. Yes, it has taken some occasional love, but with mods, it is better now than when new.
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I have a Cougar HOTAS throttle and stick that should be in good operating condition. Last used with FW Allied Force when that was working. I’ve just run across this BMS update and thought I’d drag this out and try it. I have the Hall sensor mods done and I can’t remember how to reverse the Y axis. I’ve tried the CCP, but I’m sure I’m missing something. I’d like to get this going again, but I guess if the offer is right, I might just sell it and skip the frustration. The stick also has the gimble mod done by the machinist out in Australia.
In CCP, I think you need to change the + to a - by clicking on the relevant button
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Well, it really is up to you : basically, the choice boils down to whether the Cougar throttle compared to the Warthog’s is worth the 15 years of use of any used Cougar. I personnally went for the Warthog : easy to find/buy, and I pretty much know it is going to last 10 years.
I find the Warthog throttle lacking when it comes to the antenna elevation, which you must map on buttons rather than axis ( for the range knob, it doesnt matter much) if you want it to be hand’s on.
I map my antenna elevation to the throttle friction knob in the middle of the extreme right hand part of the throttle base on my warthog. It works great. Of course its not as ideal as having it available without taking your hands off the throttle. But, I find when I’m moving the antenna around looking for contacts I’m not jacking around with power settings anyway.
I guess it may come down to what your used to. I for one don’t find this situation all that limiting.
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PizzatheHut, that is just an awesome name! Just don’t get yourself locked in any cars where you eat yourself to death.:D
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Note the two “t’s” in his name. He’s more slimy and slug-like than the yummy pepperoni goodness you’re imagining…
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PizzatheHut, that is just an awesome name! Just don’t get yourself locked in any cars where you eat yourself to death.:D
Note the two “t’s” in his name. He’s more slimy and slug-like than the yummy pepperoni goodness you’re imagining…
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Cougar needs constant repair and maintenance. Like real fighters are.
Warthog has a good reliability.Or go for it…
http://www.wraithllc.com/index.html