SRM/MRM Override & Deselect DX function
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Having Upgraded to Win10 I have finally left Target behind, but am having some trouble setting up some things using DX deselect coding.
Started using:
RSMapper with “Trigger on single press” and “Trigger on release” using “d”, “m” & “c”Then endevored to use DX where ever I could:
SimSelectSRMOverride 40 8 -2 0 0x0 -1
#SimDeselectOverride 40 -2 -2 0x42 0x0 -1
SimSelectMRMOverride 41 8 -2 0 0x0 -1
#SimDeselectOverride 41 -2 -2 0x42 0x0 -1Then activated auto cancel:
“set g_bHotasDgftSelfCancel 1” commenting out “Deselect” calls.At times I have been seeing or thought I seen some inconsistent behavior/response.
So the first question I have where/which manual will I find a description of correct behavior from Dgf/MRM override Hotas Switch.
And I have been searching, but I have so many Manuals open I’m losing focus.
Thanks.
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No need for g_bHotasDgftSelfCancel set to 1 if you use DX self cancellation (0x42 and so on).
I’m not sure RSMapper is needed either (I dont know what it does and I dont need it myself for that).
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If RSMapper sends a keypress when the throttle button is released, you don’t need the self cancelling mode in the config.
The self cancel is so that if you have a Cougar, and the middle position of the override switch doesn’t have DX, you don’t need to have a key release callback for cancelling the override. Instead, the override is only active while the key is held down.
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RSMapper gives me functionality of the POV on the Throttle.
I have had all 3 methods working but I would still like to check against documentation of the correct functionality of Dgf/MRM override modes. I cant find where it is documented.
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BMS Technical Manual 10.8.1 describes self cancel although it doesn’t do particularly well. In essence if you had ‘D’ keyboard key for the DGFT position then you would find that you would have to hold ‘D’ in order to remain in DGFT mode. The second you released the ‘D’ key you would leave that mode. There would never be a need to press ‘C’ because releasing ‘D’ does that. Obviously that’s impractical for a finger and a keyboard but certain joysticks are best suited for that mechanic.
The correct functionality of the MRM/DGFT switch is obvious: It is a three position switch DGFT-CENTER-MRM. When the switch is in DGFT position you get that overrride mode and similarly with MRM position and MRM mode. When in the center switch position then you aren’t in either override mode and the lower priority mode layer (NAV, AA, AG) is allowed.
All of the choice of ‘D’ ‘C’ ‘M’ or self-cancel or using 0x42 release context is just how Falcon BMS simulates moving that switch between its three positions. It has nothing to do with the real airplane.
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I have had all 3 methods working but I would still like to check against documentation of the correct functionality of Dgf/MRM override modes. I cant find where it is documented.
Are you asking about how the real airplane functionality works, about how the BMS airplane works, or about how the BMS interface works?
The real airplane override modes functionality is described in section one of the T.O. 1F-16CM-34-1-1, the BMS override mode functions are described in TO BMS1F-16CM-34-1-1 section 1.1.2.1, and the interface is spread out a little.
The DX keypress/release stuff is documented in the 4.32 U1 changelog, as well as the BMS-Technical-Manual.
Im unsure if the self-cancelling option of the Configuration menu is documented? The BMS Device Setup Guide explains that you need to enable it with the Cougar, but doesnt appear to go into detail about what it does.
Im unsure of the third method being referred to, so I dont know whether it is documented or not (what third method?).
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I’m sorry I must not have defined my question well enough, though I do thank you both for your thorough answers.
It is the Avionic mode Dgf and MRM place the Radar, Stores config & Symbology in, both HUD and MFDs I need.
TO BMS1F-16CM-34-1-1 section 1.1.2.1 says: “When Dogfight or Missile override is selected, the master mode will be configured with the options saved to the DTC or manually during ramp start. If the DTC is not programmed or used, the master mode will be default configured”
Which I guess some what answers my question. During my efforts to test the three programing methods, key press via RsMapper, full DX and partial DX with Config “Dogfight/Missile Override Self-Cancel” I viewed some variation in the resultant Avionics mode, HUD display and MFD page set.
So I was trying to find out what Default was.
Thanks.
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OK, I think I figured out why I don’t like the manual’s description. It says there is one master mode, singular, which is changed. The phrase “the master mode will be configured” as if the currently active mode is the master and all not active modes are not master, is not correct. There are three master modes in the F-16, NAV AG AG, and they are just as master even if they aren’t active. DGFT, MRM aren’t master modes but override modes.
All modes (master, override, otherwise) when active will have avionics set up according to (decreasing priority):
Pilot changes
DTC preferences
Airplane defaultsYou should not get any difference in airplane behavior no matter how you operate the DGFT/MRM switch in terms of simulator controls.
As to what the DGFT or MRM overrides exactly do, they can be thought of as almost completely independent modes akin to AA master mode. There are dozen of tiny details of what get changed, selected, remembered since the last time you were in that override, not remembered since the last time you were in that override, and so on. We can try to be exhaustive on describing them.
DGFT
FCR set to 30x20 standby, ACM if no track (if tracking lock is maintained)
SMS resumes selection of last missile (in DGFT) or if none priority short range missile
SMS enters special DGFT submode which selects both gun and missile simultaneously
HUD changes to baro and CAS as well as the special display decluttering
SMS sets preprogrammed or last changed preferences for AIM-9 and gun sighting cues
Inhibited OVRD/SILENT FCR emission is allowed (I think)MSL/MRM
Similar, notably independent of AA master mode in terms of FCR-CRM setup, missile preferences, and missile selection
FCR is not forced upon entry into any particular mode (I think) so you can set MRM for FCR-ACM and it should remember that
I can’t remember if missile selection is always remembered of if AIM-9 can’t resume on mode reentry. -
You will be fighting the real dash on that one too, Frederf - they consider the override modes to also be mastermodes.
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OK, I think I figured out why I don’t like the manual’s description. It says there is one master mode, singular, which is changed. The phrase “the master mode will be configured” as if the currently active mode is the master and all not active modes are not master, is not correct. There are three master modes in the F-16, NAV AG AG, and they are just as master even if they aren’t active. DGFT, MRM aren’t master modes but override modes.
All modes (master, override, otherwise) when active will have avionics set up according to (decreasing priority):
Pilot changes
DTC preferences
Airplane defaultsYou should not get any difference in airplane behavior no matter how you operate the DGFT/MRM switch in terms of simulator controls.
As to what the DGFT or MRM overrides exactly do, they can be thought of as almost completely independent modes akin to AA master mode. There are dozen of tiny details of what get changed, selected, remembered since the last time you were in that override, not remembered since the last time you were in that override, and so on. We can try to be exhaustive on describing them.
DGFT
FCR set to 30x20 standby, ACM if no track (if tracking lock is maintained)
SMS resumes selection of last missile (in DGFT) or if none priority short range missile
SMS enters special DGFT submode which selects both gun and missile simultaneously
HUD changes to baro and CAS as well as the special display decluttering
SMS sets preprogrammed or last changed preferences for AIM-9 and gun sighting cues
Inhibited OVRD/SILENT FCR emission is allowed (I think)MSL/MRM
Similar, notably independent of AA master mode in terms of FCR-CRM setup, missile preferences, and missile selection
FCR is not forced upon entry into any particular mode (I think) so you can set MRM for FCR-ACM and it should remember that I can’t remember if missile selection is always remembered of if AIM-9 can’t resume on mode reentry.This what I am seeing. The bold sections above account for variations I perceived while trialing input methods The TE I was using originally didn’t have any SRM loaded.
Again thanks for the concise post. I think I have it nailed down now. :thumb: