F-4 Phantom
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Good idea Radium. For EJ only or E in general?
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Good idea Radium. For EJ only or E in general?
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I am not sure. I would start by EJ that’s for sure.
But I might do AUP also, if I have good references. I really don’t know a lot about F-4 except F-EJ.
Cheers,
Radium
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AUP… AUP… AUP…
and the crowds go nuts…. yyyyyeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!
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AUP… AUP… AUP…
and the crowds go nuts…. yyyyyeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!
But…EJ first! I think If I do so, I will manage to only change the front panel and HUD… Something really modular and poly friendly.
EDIT : what are the interesting variants of F-4 cockpit?
- EJ : JASDF Mid life update
- AUP : latest updated F-4 as far as I know
- E : the common modern generic F-4 from the few I know about it?
Any other?
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THK Terminator 2020, almost similar with AUP.
When time comes, ping me.
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THK Terminator 2020, almost similar with AUP.
When time comes, ping me.
Thk terminator i think its more close to EJ correct me if im wrong
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Kurnass 2000 has an updated pit too, afaik. Original is based on the E.
F-4F ICE was largely the same pit as the original F-4F, which is based on the E.
F-4G probably had some changes from the E pit, but I think most of them were to the rear seat.There are minor differences between the ‘main’ variants, these being C/D/E USAF and B/J/N/S USN, but these probably aren’t significant enough to warrant new pits.
Some nice pictures/diagrams here;
http://www.f4phantomparts.com/COCKPITS.html
http://aviation.watergeek.eu/f4m-panel.html -
Here is F-4EJ avionics specs :
- AN/APG-66J pulse-Doppler radar (Same than what you have on most F-16)
- AN/ASN-141 inertial navigation unit (Same than what you have on most F-16)
- J/APR-6 Radar warning receiver (Japan made, we only know that it is better than AN/APX-76 that you have on F-15C)
- ASM2 ready (similar to AGM-84E in term of range but much faster, about to 620kt)
F-4EJ is a really powerful aircraft. Moreover, Japanese put some new engine computers on J-79. I have no info about it, but I suppose this update was made by Ishikawajima-Harima.
Regards,
Radium
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Just FYI, “EJ” is the name since it was named as Japanese version of F-4E originally.
All of avionics and capabilities Radium mentioned are incorporated after the “Kai” (改) update, except the INS. (AN/ASN-63 was equipped originally, then updated to J/ASN-4) -
Thk terminator i think its more close to EJ correct me if im wrong
I think 2020 would most likely be closest to Kurnass 2000.
Whereas AUP is more of a multirole upgrade similar to German ICE, Terminator was more oriented around a strike aircraft, and it’s air-air capabilities remained similar to original F-4Es, with benefit of a better radar.
Upgrade was done by Israeli IAI, radar and many other components are of Israeli origin. As far as I remember it has two MFDs for back and one for front cockpit, as well as something akin to ICP & DED for both. I think it also had a new RWR. AGM-142 Popeye was probably the “shiniest” new addition to it’s arsenal.
Curiously though, no new TGP was integrated, and TGP capabilities remained same as the old F-4E, Pave Spike if I recall correctly.
I had an old magazine from ye olde 90s that had (fairly small) diagrams of cockpit upgrades.
Not sure if any additional upgrades were introduced since then, I think new Turkish cruise missile SOM was supposed to be integrated on it, and was test fired from one. Maybe locally designed/produced Aselpod TGP was also integrated not sure.
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I have pics for both haf & thk pits so that would not be a problem.
The AUP uses the APG-65 radar directly from F-18, is a multirole “Amraam-shooter” player in the bvr arena (up to 4 missiles), suited with ecm/jammer, iff, has the Litening pod and a2g weapons include Maverick’s up to G, gbu’s up to -24, AFDS to name the most important.
The Terminator is a pure A2G player, no A2A capabilities. No tgp thought but, is using the Mavericks up to G model, AGM-142 Popeye (either autonomous or with the asw-55 datalink pod), and the new SOM missile (either autonomous or with the aww-9 / -11 datalink pod), which is considered more capable than the SLAM-ER (which is available on the THK Viper fleet using also the aww-9 /-11 dl pod).
We’ve implemented all these considerations to Ikaros and you’ll have them on the following release. As you can understand, both planes are very capable and would fit great in the campaigns next to the Vipers & Mirages. So a proper cockpit set would make them perfect considering that most hud/mfd’s symbology is similar to the Viper.
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The Terminator is a pure A2G player, no A2A capabilities. No tgp thought but, is using the Mavericks up to G model, AGM-142 Popeye (either autonomous or with the asw-55 datalink pod), and the new SOM missile (either autonomous or with the aww-9 / -11 datalink pod), which is considered more capable than the SLAM-ER (which is available on the THK Viper fleet using also the aww-9 /-11 dl pod).
Not even Sidewinders?
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Yes it can carry AIM-9’s, but AFAIK can be fired only in basic bore mode, radar will not slave the missile.
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But…EJ first! I think If I do so, I will manage to only change the front panel and HUD… Something really modular and poly friendly.
EDIT : what are the interesting variants of F-4 cockpit?
- EJ : JASDF Mid life update
- AUP : latest updated F-4 as far as I know
- E : the common modern generic F-4 from the few I know about it?
Any other?
Go for it Radium
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Yes it can carry AIM-9’s, but AFAIK can be fired only in basic bore mode, radar will not slave the missile.
Hello,
F-4EJ is truely multirole, with :
- AAM-3 (somewhere between AIM9M and AIM-9X) Japanese close A/A missile
- ASM-2 (something close to a 620kt AGM-84E) Japanese medium distance air to sea missile
- GCS-1 (something close to a GBU-15 kit on a mk82 or J/M-117), Japanese IR guided bomb
Some sources tell that F-4EJ can deploy AAM-4 (equivalent to AIM-120 C-5~7 but with AESA internal radar seeker) Japan made long range A/A missile, but I don’t have confirmation about that. At least, they can use J/AIM-7 Sparrow. F-4EJ can deploy a various number of unguided ammunitions, such as CBUs. But I never saw any picture by my eyes.
Please note that it’s really difficult to get pictures of JASDF aircrafts carrying weapons.
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IMHO, if you simply call it “F-4EJ”, it actually means old, non-updated Japanese F-4E.
We, Japanese, never call it “EJ” anymore, it officially called “F-4EJ Kai”.Since GCS-1 doesn’t have the capability of video data uplink, I think it’s more likely an IR Maverick.
However, unlike IR Mavericks, GCS-1 isn’t a LOBL weapon, nor have rocket motor.
It doesn’t provide video image to the cockpit display, hence, pilot employ it in the almost same way as dumb bomb.
The bomb acquire the target after released, and guided to the target.F-4EJ Kai doesn’t have a capability to shoot AAM-4. Because it’s waste of money to update the aircraft.
It’s already old fighter aircraft, and the retirement is few years ahead.
AAM-4 doesn’t have AESA radar on its seeker, but AAM-4B has.JASDF had CBU-87 in thier inventory. F-4EJ Kai had a capability for operating it. You can see some pictures of them by googling “F-4EJ CBU-87”.
But after the agreement of Convention on Cluster Munitions in 2009, they destroyed all of the cluster munitions, including CBU-87, land mines, and cluster warheads for MLRS. -
Im still here… Testing in Ikaros theater. My “element” just took off from Andravida
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I dont know how but it worked
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Anyway both AUP and THK models are on the way to Ikaros guys to be in the Ikaros DB. Continue working on other models now
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Anyone have good Israelli stencils? I wanna start making the Isrealli one but the set of stencils i have is cr@p….