Yet Another T.16000M FCS HOTAS Review and Setup
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I also was having problems with the order in which the device sorting.txt was putting them in. It would put the throttle first every time. But I found out that the problem I had was, that if you use the BMS alternative launcher. It will switch it over back the the throttle. After launch bms manualy. I went to settings, the default was on keyboard and switching to the joystick and loading my profile or the logic.key seems to be working as intended. Thought I post this for anyone else who was about 2 pull out there hair, like me.
Hi,
Had tried this method many times but it didnât work for me
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Hi all,
I am starting in the world of Falcon BMS.
With the configurations provided in this thread, how can I change the buttons mapping. For example, I want that the function to look around be on the buttons POV0 POV1 ⌠?
Thanks,
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Hi, Just a heads up, DeviceSorting.txt is not in the updated V2 of the configuration. Please check!
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Hi, Just a heads up, DeviceSorting.txt is not in the updated V2 of the configuration. Please check!
That file is specific to your computer and not generic.
Go to your user folder / config and you will find it there.
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Oh man!
Thanks, Logic! You spared me hours and hours of trial and error and provided me with a cool and working setup for the Thrustmaster HOTAS
You rock!
Thank you!
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How did you get the throttle to work witht he stick? I can only have 1 device active at the same time. And I canât figure out how to use both.
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Welcome cookie. In the setup screen, your stick should be the primary, go to the advanced tab and you can set your throttle under one of the tabs. If you use discord, follow the link in my Sig. Many folks there to help you get flying in no time. Good luck!!
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Hi, Just a heads up, DeviceSorting.txt is not in the updated V2 of the configuration. Please check!
Thanks for pointing it out. I updated the first post with a newer version including DeviceSorting.txt.
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That file is specific to your computer and not generic.
It actually IS generic! It contains an identifier that is provided directly from the hardware. Every T.16000M will have the same id.
I included it in latest version in first post. -
It actually IS generic! It contains an identifier that is provided directly from the hardware. Every T.16000M will have the same id.
I included it in latest version in first post.Well I said this because the devices listed are specific to the computer and user. Not everyone has the same hardware.
Then concerning the device ID, it does change sometimes from the manufacturer when a product is updated, even if there is no product ref change. So, it is the same in most cases, but manufacturers can change it. -
v3.1: Fixed a wrong key assignment:
SimRadarRangeStepDown 48 -1 -2 0 0X0 0 âSHORT: Radar Range Downâ -
Questions about your setup, I noticed you have toggle-jammer as a separate key from the countermeasure hat, isnât that a bit unneeded because CMS down and CMS right I believe also handles ECM?
Also I read itâs possible to setup TARGET so you can have overrides as just one key, with a short press to enter Dogfight Override (And thus queue up a sidewinder) or a long press for MRM (Basically enter Dogfight but with an AMRAAM instead.) with a second press to disable the overrides. https://www.benchmarksims.org/forum/showthread.php?31565-Basic-tips-to-get-the-T16000M-FCS-hotas-working-in-BMS&highlight=t16000m+override mentioned in this post. Seems like another good way to free up button real-estate while still having it intuitive. (Wanna lock up a sidewinder? Short press. Want some more range with the AIM-120? Hold it down a bit longer. Want to cancel? Press it again.)
Just checking in so I can free up more button real-estate, I might modify your setup so I can have pickle as the button below the hat on the front of the stick, and perhaps move first trigger detent to one of the base-stick buttons.
I plan to get the stick as an upgrade to my 3d pro and maybe some trackIR too. Do you like the T16000M? Do you feel like it meets your needs in BMS and youâre not button-strapped?
Only other things I can see âmissingâ in your setup is the mic keys for MP and the radio keys for talking to the AI (Although you have AWACS Declare as a base button.)
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Hey Toybasher,
Those are all excellent points you mention here.
Short answer to most things: This setup is basically still work in progress and evolves as my needs and progress in the game evolve.
Currently, Iâm playing the game with head tracking, but without voice comms.
(I do play network with someone else, but we use Teamspeak voice activation)
So this reflects in the setup.
And I consider myself still a beginner sort of.
Iâm sure other people will find setups better suited to their needs.
The TARGET thing you mention sounds very interesting, i might have a look into those more advanced programming stuff when i find the time.Concerning the T16000M overall, iâm still happy with it after more than a year after purchase (with pauses).
Together with the TWCS throttle it fits my needs perfectly, (enough buttons to hold the important stuff, yet not too much to get confused) but then again, iâm just a casual intermittent simmer. -
Thinking about it, maybe we could find a configuration that fits most people, with room for individual tweaking nevertheless.
So just out of curiosity, what would you and others consider vital bindings that arenât on the current one (v3.1)?Questions i had myself:
When do you guys use Radar Cursor Enable? I dont remembr using that ever. I could put Radar Cursor Zero (which i use more often) on that slot instead.
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Thinking about it, maybe we could find a configuration that fits most people, with room for individual tweaking nevertheless.
So just out of curiosity, what would you and others consider vital bindings that arenât on the current one (v3.1)?Questions i had myself:
When do you guys use Radar Cursor Enable? I dont remembr using that ever. I could put Radar Cursor Zero (which i use more often) on that slot instead.
What key commands are used for standard multiplayer voice comms?Note I am a massive nugget and know very little about BMS (Iâm waiting to save funds for a T16000 and TrackIR and possibly have to move my desk or get a new one to make room for such, mineâs a rather crappy desk/bookcase thing with my monitor on a stand-thing built in diagonally to the left) but it does have something called IVC which either came with Falcon 4 or was added in BMS, and is a built-in voice chat client of sorts which works ingame. I.E. radio needs to be set to the right frequency, radio degradation modeled etc.
Are the âView Up/Down/Left/Right/â keys just to move your POV and not targeting pod or anything else? If so, with trackIR I might set them (I believe shifted castlehat?) to the COMMS switch up, down, left and right, up and down are used for talking on UHF and VHF, and left and right are used for datalink related stuff.
EDIT: That leaves the radio menus but thereâs ways around it I believe such as Voice Attack, so I can just shout âAWACS! REQUEST BOGEY DOPE!â or âTower, requesting landing.â or âTanker, done refueling.â whatever and have VA automatically send the needed keypresses. Frees up my hands although my PC is in the living room and people might get irritated hearing some maniac yelling at his PC.
EDIT 2: The game has built in profiles in keybindings folder or whatever for VAC (Voice Activated Commands) which is a different program than Voice Attack, so youâre pretty much all set there. Again I am a bit of a button lover so I try to free up buttons. On a side note for First Trigger Detent (Manual Lasing) do you have to hold the button down or just push it once to toggle the laser?
EDIT 3: https://www.benchmarksims.org/forum/showthread.php?18261-KEYSPEECH-PROFILES-FOR-ALL-CALLSIGNS!!! another example of a set for voice commands, (keyspeech program) I like having many phrases for each call because if youâre in a hurry you donât have to worry about phrasing. AWACS request homeplate can be activated with just âAWACS where is my baseâ or âAWACS vector for RTBâ etc.
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Updated (v4).
Now with implenetations for âlong pressâ as suggested in https://www.benchmarksims.org/forum/showthread.php?31565-Basic-tips-to-get-the-T16000M-FCS-hotas-working-in-BMS. See first post for details.
Since there are various ways and matter of taste to to handle voice comms, i still left comm management out.
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I appreciate everyoneâs technical talk about scripts and editing and all that.
But can someone comment on the suitability overall of the T1600 to Falcon BMS, and compare it to the Warthog set?
Whatâs the warthog set cost? - two, three, four times more than the T1600? Can anyone comment if the T1600 is 2-4 times junk-ier than the warthog stuff or just as good for BMS use? Iâm currently on a generic $30 flight stick which is fun for MS FSX but limiting for something as cool as BMS; looking to upgrade to something funner and more complimentary to BMS, but at the same time of course trying to be cheap. Would it be fair to characterize the warthog stuff for only serious pit-builders, and the T1600 & saitek X52s & generic sticks for non-pit-builders?
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When do you guys use Radar Cursor Enable?
Need it to fire AIM-120 without radar link, and its a hands on method of toggling between slave and bore for the AIM-9. Handy to be able to look at a target with the HMCS, hold the cursor in (Radar cursor enable), uncage, confirm good tone and shoot. All without a radar lock to alert the bad guyâŚ
Lets see. Its also used to cycle through PRE, VIS and BORE modes for the AGM-65. I feel like Im missing another function besides all those. Nothing is coming to mind, though.
Would it be fair to characterize the warthog stuff for only serious pit-builders, and the T1600 & saitek X52s & generic sticks for non-pit-builders?
Not even slightly. In fact, for pit builders, I wouldnt recommend the warthog as the go-to anyway.
You can think of it a bit like the decision about whether to buy a $3000 camera, or a $300 camera. Both cameras can take photos. Outside of specialist requirements like architectural photography, or super telephoto sports photography, both cameras can take excellent photos of comparable quality. In fact, the biggest factor affecting the photos is not going to end up being the camera, but the doofus behind the camera. I can hand a cheap $50 camera to a 30 year photographer, and they can take better photos than I can with a $5000 camera.
So why get the $5000 camera at all, then? The way I see it, it might be possible to get better results with less money and more experience, but its not usually as easy. Just like that expensive camera has all kinds of features to make my life easier, the Warthog has features that make BMS easier to fly. Do you need one? Well, thats a question for you to answer, but strictly the answer is no. You can fly BMS with a playstation controller - Ive known someone to do aerial refuelling with one. Its a heck of a lot harder, and its not as precise, and it doesnt have anywhere near as many buttons, which can make things harder for you to do - but you can still fly the mission with it.
The warthog might cost more, but its much easier to use, in my opinion.
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Hi, Logic and fellow pilots,
I am not entirely new to Falcon BMS but only completed a couple of training missions (with very basic hardware only) and did not use it for quite some time. I just re-installed the sim and shall use the Thrustmaster T.16000M joystick together with TWCS throttle and Saitek rudder pedals (which I use when flying XPlane11 because I am used to rudder pedals from real life general aviation flying). When following your installation guide I noticed two things I do not fully understand:
1. DeviceSorting.txt: Since I use rudder pedals too, they do show up in my existing (yet unedited) DeviceSorting.txt So I suppose I cannot just copy the one provided by you in your ZIP package but rather have to modify mine to read âThrustmaster Virtual Game Controllerâ instead of âTWCS Throttleâ in the appropriate line. What should the sequence be â T.16000M, virtual controller, rudder pedals?
2. Editing the key file in the user\config directory: I do not see a key file specific to the two pilots I have in my logbook (the default Viper and my own Lawyer â guess what my profession isâŚ:) ) but rather several key files (see attached screenshot). Which file should be modified by adding the HOTAS bindings? All except the blank one?
Disregard ⌠just entered the first modifications manually and created a user-specific one.Update
Figured out most of these issues, rearranged the DeviceSorting.txt (detected entry of the device after runnung the script in TARGET script editor reads âThrustmaster combinedâ). Upon lauching BMS and trying to assign the axes, TWCS Throttle reappeared among the options presented in the UI (as last entry). â I am thinking of leaving the second coolie hat alone (that was the only reason for creating this combined device, right?), forgetting the script and all related modifications, and just manually assigning the rest as needed.Happy New Year, and thanks for this great piece of work!
Sigmar
(home base LOWL = Linz, Austria, combined civ/mil airport)