Question about the Block 52 force sensing stick which moves quite a bit
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If I go all the way back to the beginning, when I was a small kid, my grandfather took me to the Chicago Museum of Science and Industry to see a mock-up of a Gemini space capsule that was on tour/display there. He then stood in line with me until I got to take a seat (the left one, if I recall) in the capsule beside a dummy astronaut!
Much later on, I’m pretty sure I re-encountered that very same Gemini in the McDonnell Douglas Prologue room, during a plant tour there…
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If I go all the way back to the beginning, when I was a small kid, my grandfather took me to the Chicago Museum of Science and Industry to see a mock-up of a Gemini space capsule that was on tour/display there. He then stood in line with me until I got to take a seat (the left one, if I recall) in the capsule beside a dummy astronaut!
Much later on, I’m pretty sure I re-encountered that very same Gemini in the McDonnell Douglas Prologue room, during a plant tour there…
Coool, This last veterans day,https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=youtube+tico+warbird+museum&&view=detail∣=4451FB76BDE8DEC603034451FB76BDE8DEC60303&&FORM=VDRVRV and 5 miles south of the Space Center you should come visit.
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Nice collection - really nice Phantom!
The last T-2 Buckeye I saw that made an impression on me was a mishap at NAS Kingsville, TX. I was standing on the ramp watching the training jets bounce, and I looked to the approach end of the runway just in time to see the student eject, and the jet nose into the dirt…big 60 foot fireball, just short of the runway end. The student survived…but I think his career as a Naval Aviator ended. Only one of those I’ve actually witnessed…knock-knock…
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Well that thread seemed to escalate quickly But let me come back to the initial question. Using the FSSB mod for quite a while now, and comparing it with the footage of the real F16 stick, can someone comfirm what I think I see as the biggest difference between the FSSB and the real thing. It seems like in the real stick you can feel when you have reached the limit of how much Gs you can request from the flight computer. Thats the point when the stick does not move any more, which would resemble to a tradition stick (using gimbals) reaching its limit. Is that the case? Or can you just pull the stick to the maximum physical possible displacement but still pull even more, even though its not moving any more and get even more Gs requested? In the FSSB mod there is no point when you can feel the displacement reached the limit but the input it gives is already is being cut off.
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I don’t think you can feel it in the stick, but you can feel it on your body…the stick limits out t 25 lbf of pull, if I recall, and anything greater than that is flatlined. So when you reach the endpoint of all the G you can feel, that’s all you get.
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Well that thread seemed to escalate quickly But let me come back to the initial question. Using the FSSB mod for quite a while now, and comparing it with the footage of the real F16 stick, can someone comfirm what I think I see as the biggest difference between the FSSB and the real thing. It seems like in the real stick you can feel when you have reached the limit of how much Gs you can request from the flight computer. Thats the point when the stick does not move any more, which would resemble to a tradition stick (using gimbals) reaching its limit. Is that the case? Or can you just pull the stick to the maximum physical possible displacement but still pull even more, even though its not moving any more and get even more Gs requested? In the FSSB mod there is no point when you can feel the displacement reached the limit but the input it gives is already is being cut off.
I’m not sure you’ll be satisfied with it, but there’s a very useful feature on the latest software from Real Simulator.
The continuous beep sound tells you that you’ve reached to the limit of axis input. (or at any level of input, the value of lbs is configurable)
The manual tells that there’s a similar function in RL Gripen simulator.
I think that is a good supplement function for 1G fixed simulator environment.
Cons? It’s bit noisy actually :lol: -
Yes PeCa_Chuck. I use that beeping feature for quite some time now. Its really helpful to get used to where the limits of the input is. What I also use is the
NASA Feature to use assymetrical forces. More for pulling than for pushing, more forces to roll left, less to roll right, with the values described in the manual. I would really love to see a video of an F16 Stick being pulled and what it actually outputs to the flight computer. -
The FCC3 is no longer available, as it’s inventor/supplier passed away last year…if you want one, you’ll have to find someone that wants to part with one. I had planned to get a second one…but alas…it is a nice mod - Cougar only, but Warthog grip compatible, or for mounting on a replica SSC base - and relies on small washers to allow the 1/8" movement. Very nice device…but you still need to stabilize the grip itself against the retaining nut - the problem of the grip rocking due to wear against the stalk can spoil a force controller worse than with gimbals, IMO.
Once upon a time there was a thread over on ViperPits on scratch building/machining a 1:1 operating replica of the real SCC - complete set of drawings, which I think has been removed. All I can offer from seeing the drawings is that Hall devices/pots/etc. appeared to have nothing to do with it’s operation…it’s its own beastie.
OMG…So sorry to hear that!The FCC3 has became a history now,no any other choice except FSSB …
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A new and affordable force sensor is comming guys. Vipergear is building one that is in release candidate state at this time
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I installed my real SSC in the cockpit today. I took a short video to demonstrate how much the stick actually moves. This will be quite a change for me as I have used sticks that don’t move at all since about 2003. Anxious to fly with this!
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….where do people get these wonderful toys?!?!?!!!
Nice demo - that’s just a bit more than my FCC3 mounted stick moves as currently set up, but I could/can easily match that by simply swapping out the rubber o-rings between the FCC3 and the SSC base…I’ll be using this vid for reference!