OpenTrack, does BMS work with it?
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Will do:P
Back on EdTracker - is it 6DOF or 3DOF headtracker?
Only 3 DOF. Pitch, roll and yaw. Why I went to Delanclip, full 6 DOF!
Strictly speaking, EDTracker itself is 3DOF. However, EDTracker is not what provides the TIR input to BMS - OpenTrack is. And OpenTrack, among other things, supports mixing and matching inputs. Its very possible, for example, to add a webcam and use the webcam to track position inputs, and the EDTracker for attitude inputs.
So while EDTracker is technically 3DOF only, its not terribly hard to use it in a 6DOF solution.
If you turn your head with say, a Delanclip or some other TIR knockoff, its possible to obscure the LEDs. If you have any IR contamination of the sceneā¦ say by it being daylight behind you - it simply doesnt work at all, due to the multiple IR sources.
None of that is a factor with EDTracker. It uses the same kind of sensors the JHMCS uses to track head movement, magnetometers and accelerometers. Hence the infinite FOV - there is simply no camera to concern yourself with at all.
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Not quite; its a wireless Delanclip, the āFusionā.
Ok mate, yes your right, my point is itās effectively the same product. Itās the same company with a few different products. The original is wired with the āfusionā the next evolution.
Without straying too far from your question. Opentrack works very well with BMS and Iād totally recommend a Delanclip (or Delanclip fusion) for 6 DOF!
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Strictly speaking, EDTracker itself is 3DOF. However, EDTracker is not what provides the TIR input to BMS - OpenTrack is. And OpenTrack, among other things, supports mixing and matching inputs. Its very possible, for example, to add a webcam and use the webcam to track position inputs, and the EDTracker for attitude inputs.
So while EDTracker is technically 3DOF only, its not terribly hard to use it in a 6DOF solution.
If you turn your head with say, a Delanclip or some other TIR knockoff, its possible to obscure the LEDs. If you have any IR contamination of the sceneā¦ say by it being daylight behind you - it simply doesnt work at all, due to the multiple IR sources.
None of that is a factor with EDTracker. It uses the same kind of sensors the JHMCS uses to track head movement, magnetometers and accelerometers. Hence the infinite FOV - there is simply no camera to concern yourself with at all.
Very true you can do this, and I tried combining face tracking with EDtracker before i tried my delanclip. I found a far better result with the Delanclip. Facetracking seemed to be less accurate for me, and far more CPU intensive. It failed to accurately pickup as I moved my head forwards / backwards. Also, I dont need to turn my head out of the cameras FOV - It still tracks accurately at 30-45 degrees off. Any further and I couldnāt see my screen anyway. I could only imagine you would want to turn your head to 90 degrees or so with your edtracker if you have some sort of mutiple monitor setup. But then the face tracking will fail if you want to move another DOF. It seemed mixing two sources from the edtracker and facetracking introduced an aweful lot of complexity compared to and IR led solution that just does it all.
Also, a properly modified ps3eye camera will work just as effectively in daylight conditions. I use it all the time with my blinds and curtains open. However I donāt have the sun directly pointing in the window. I can also use it without any problem at night with a light on, but again not in the cameras FOV. I think if a light was directly pointing into the cameras FOV then it would cause trouble, but that can mostly be got around!
If Edtracker were able to do a full 6 DOF gyro / magnetometer and reasonable cost, then iād definitely be interested!
However for me, the cheap knockoff works incredibly well. Like most things in life, the most expensive things are not always the best solution.
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EDTracker is not availableā¦
http://www.edtracker.co.uk/shop/my-basket/edtracker-pro-wireless
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Very true you can do this, and I tried combining face tracking with EDtracker before i tried my delanclip. I found a far better result with the Delanclip.
Thats only half the equation, you also need a good sensor and Im not convinced the PS3Eye is better than than the TIR5 sensor.
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Oh my.
Might need another tir5 but now people say that you can find better with lower costs.Happy with tir5 but is there better options if you donāt count money? I mean lower cost than tir5 cause someone will find me multimillion shi. if i dont say it.
M79
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ā¦ sometimes I wish I could just test stuff out with mouselook without having to plug in and put my cap in every time
You can by temporarily renaming the OpenTrack folder to sometihng else (I use ā_OpenTrackā), before launching BMS, so that BMS doesnāt find it.
But yeah, itās a pity there isnāt an in-game setup button where you can just switch from Opentrack to Mouse-look and back. :-? -
Thats only half the equation, you also need a good sensor and Im not convinced the PS3Eye is better than than the TIR5 sensor.
Absolutely right. Its a webcam that is modified for the purpose of tracking LED lights, not a dedicated, commercial solution like TrackIR. However, I personally have found it works very effectively, and my friends who also have it, are very happy with it, even if it provides less Hz (i just checked my settings and im only running 60hz).
Iām a little lost where your going with your comments? Are you still looking to get a track hat / delanclip solution (which is both very similar method of tracking and would offer similar performance) or Edtracker, or are you looking to justify getting yourself a TIR5?
edit: I have just tried and can run up to max 75hz at 640x480
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@M79:
Oh my.
Might need another tir5 but now people say that you can find better with lower costs.This is the issue; you can can find cheaper but not better than TIR5. Even with TIR4 I had some dead zones in the upper corners I could never fix due to its field of view, whereas the TIR5 FOV is wider and Im betting will resolve this, but funds are limited andso TIR5 is off the table for me. I cant find anything better than TIR5, only cheaper.
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Iām a little lost where your going with your comments? Are you still looking to get a track hat / delanclip solution (which is both very similar method of tracking and would offer similar performance) or Edtracker, or are you looking to justify getting yourself a TIR5?
Im looking for an expanded FOV and am mainly concerned with a better sensor to replace my broken TOR4 sensor.
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Prebuilt EDTrackers are not available.
EDTracker is first and foremost a DIY, open source solution- the version that comes pre assembled is a convenience feature.
Hereās a bundle of all the parts you need to make your own: https://hobbycomponents.com/home/440-diy-head-tracker-bundle
Howās your soldering?
Otherwise, wait for the prebuilt ones to be available again - or buy a PS Eye, or a TIRā¦ your money, your optionsā¦
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My soldering is sub-par andso I shy away from that option although it is dirt cheap so not much to lose I supposeā¦
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Edteacker went commercial to provide just that; not having to build one yourself.
Does this have any in stock for you?
http://edtrackerpro.mybigcommerce.comAs edtracker.co.uk now redirects to this for me!
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Absolutely right. Its a webcam that is modified for the purpose of tracking LED lights, not a dedicated, commercial solution like TrackIR. However, I personally have found it works very effectively, and my friends who also have it, are very happy with it, even if it provides less Hz (i just checked my settings and im only running 60hz).
Iām a little lost where your going with your comments? Are you still looking to get a track hat / delanclip solution (which is both very similar method of tracking and would offer similar performance) or Edtracker, or are you looking to justify getting yourself a TIR5?
edit: I have just tried and can run up to max 75hz at 640x480
Edteacker went commercial to provide just that; not having to build one yourself.
Does this have any in stock for you?
http://edtrackerpro.mybigcommerce.comAs edtracker.co.uk now redirects to this for me!
"Q: Does EDTracker provide 6DOF?
Not officially; EDTracker Pro is a 3DOF device. In Q4 2018 we aim to provide an option in software to enable the extra 3DOF using an external webcam to track head position"
Thats a deal breaker for me Im afraid.
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"Q: Does EDTracker provide 6DOF?
Not officially; EDTracker Pro is a 3DOF device. In Q4 2018 we aim to provide an option in software to enable the extra 3DOF using an external webcam to track head position"
Thats a deal breaker for me Im afraid.
Hence why I tried a IR solution and settled on the Delanclip. I wanted a good 6 DOF experience, 3 DOF was just too restrictive.
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Absolutely right. Its a webcam that is modified for the purpose of tracking LED lights, not a dedicated, commercial solution like TrackIR. However, I personally have found it works very effectively, and my friends who also have it, are very happy with it, even if it provides less Hz (i just checked my settings and im only running 60hz).
Iām a little lost where your going with your comments? Are you still looking to get a track hat / delanclip solution (which is both very similar method of tracking and would offer similar performance) or Edtracker, or are you looking to justify getting yourself a TIR5?
edit: I have just tried and can run up to max 75hz at 640x480
Hence why I tried a IR solution and settled on the Delanclip. I wanted a good 6 DOF experience, 3 DOF was just too restrictive.
Dunno, I like this tooā¦
http://www.trackhat.org/product-page/trackhat-clip-plus -
This is the issue; you can can find cheaper but not better than TIR5. Even with TIR4 I had some dead zones in the upper corners I could never fix due to its field of view, whereas the TIR5 FOV is wider and Im betting will resolve this, but funds are limited andso TIR5 is off the table for me. I cant find anything better than TIR5, only cheaper.
PS3 Eye has better/bigger FOV than TIR5!
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PS3 Eye has better/bigger FOV than TIR5!
Can you substantiate this please? If true, thatās vitally important for me.
EDIT:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_Eye
āThe camera features a two-setting adjustable fixed-focus zoom lens. Selected manually by rotating the lens barrel, the PlayStation Eye can be set to a 56Ā° field of view (red dot) similar to that of the EyeToy,[10] for close-up framing in chat applications, or a 75Ā° field of view (blue dot) for long-shot framing in interactive physical gaming applications.[1]ā
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Already posted this link:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreeTrack#Camera
TIR5: 51.7Ā°
PS3 Eye: 56Ā° and 75Ā°So even in normal mode it is better than TIR5.