Suggestion for database, data supply
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I know, but this tells you 0 info about characteristics…
I will try to find somebody who will translate this stuff maybe there is some useful data. Where did you find?
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Have you tested? Because I did Loooooooooooooooooooong time ago ˙(~4,5 years) when I opened first time dat files. I tried to play with these values. They did not worked. Just for you I did it again. I changed the values of AIM-9L/M, nothing happend. ICD entries rule the IR sensor properties concerning gimbal value, ranges, flare sensitvity and if ever worked, the FOV.
it seems you are right, so I mixed up with another version
too bad for bms
@molnibalage:I know, but this tells you 0 info about characteristics…
I will try to find somebody who will translate this stuff maybe there is some useful data. Where did you find?
You can check the values of the average thrust in the original there is a lot of errors for all A-A missiles
book “Авиация ПВО России и научно-технический прогресс. Боевые комплексы и системы вчера, сегодня, завтра”
there is a slight inaccuracy in the table
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Currently I can’t upload to youtube, because my net is unstable. I can upload only to MF.
SA-5 comparsion video. I used program 201. The difference is clearly visible. If the engagement range can be increasd with new model against med/high flying targets the ragne is very, very big.
http://www.mediafire.com/?d48dr38b95yf23w
I have no time to test, but maybe the eng. reange is linked with bubble distance value. I have to check.
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just found the su 27 flight manual (I believe… downloading now)
also I tranformed the above from djvu to pdf…holly Fxxk Bullseye… SU-27SK… converting to pdf… will try and auto translate to Greek lol…
pdf ready.
Trying to make it editable pdf…Mig 29 GAY (No engine data) flight manual in English: http://airspot.ru/book/file/1058/Flight_manual_MIG-29.pdf
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Awesome work Molni. Its great of you to give BMS data a reality check. With that much proof, information and + fixes you are providing I think all of this data has a potential to be implemented in future updates, since it seems readymade and hopefully would not create additional workload for devs (pardon me if I’m wrong please, not judging anyone).
Devs: Thanks for creating the best Falcon flavor ever, you guys are awesome beyond any possible scale and measure ever known to humanity :)))
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@OSD:
thinking about one
wrote about another
Here is the correctTotal impulse (Суммарный импульс) = available power (энерговооруженность ракеты) * mass of missile (массу ракеты) = the average thrust (средняя тяга двигателя) * burnout time (время работы двигателя).
1kg = 2.2046 lb1.JPG
mass of missile - pointed red
available power - pointed blueTotal impulse
aim-120b ~ 30500 lb-s
aim-120c5 ~ 34500 lb-sOk, when U will reach the AA missiles I will use these data. ButI have to use some regression. For ex. missile wieght is not consant. I will use the AIM-9L/M’s burnout/launched weight ratio to get an average weight. I won’t change the burn time of R-60 or just slighty. In this case if the weight is set by the l/bo. ratio thrust can be computed.
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here u are in pdf… sorry no translation.
http://www.mediafire.com/?v8hz5yhaascqv1s
Engine data must be after page 50.
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They are some kind of aero data but IMHO not engine data. What is interesting on Falcon’s level on page 20. It seems to me allowed max. G diagram.
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they are turn rate tables??? Performance?
page 49 title says: turn - banking
page 50
Figure 3 · Overload steady-bends, the plane with two 2hR-73 xp-27, with 50% residual fuel from the normal fill under standard conditions of temperature, operating mode, the engine Maxima (for the other masspage 51
Figure 4, steady-state overload bends, the plane with two 2hR-73 xp-27, with b0% residualFuel from the normal charging, the standard conditions of temperature regime
POLHYi FORSAZh engines (for other mass PCF = T1u ust.vir, R0000)
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For FM and thrust tweaking you need comprehensive data. You can have any curves if they have not connection and shows only very specific situations. I can ask a guy for translate. It is a pure luck, but on HTKA.hu appeared a Russian guy, who perfectly speaks Hungarian.
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well we can do it our self also I believe. A guy that knows what u want can tell it’s the chart in page xx and than we can translate them even with google… Sure a person witch speaks Russian is better I believe.
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I was just funny the current situation, when I uploaded the modified FM https://www.benchmarksims.org/forum/showthread.php?7259-Changes-in-the-flight-model nobody was looking, and charts on which changes were made, too, no one was looking.
And the links that I gave, too, were not looking https://www.benchmarksims.org/forum/showthread.php?7259-Changes-in-the-flight-model&p=88539&viewfull=1#post88539 .
But all the criticized the.
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@OSD:
I was just funny the current situation, when I uploaded the modified FM https://www.benchmarksims.org/forum/showthread.php?7259-Changes-in-the-flight-model nobody was looking, and charts on which changes were made, too, no one was looking.
And the links that I gave, too, were not looking https://www.benchmarksims.org/forum/showthread.php?7259-Changes-in-the-flight-model&p=88539&viewfull=1#post88539 .
But all the criticized the.
To make the the FM Su-27, you need someone who good understanding in aerodynamics.Because I can’t speak Russian I can’t validate FM changes, I can’t interprete the diagrams.
Did you set thrust exactly as in the two charts? What did you set for idle throttle?
I can fly if you wish but I can’t judge.It would be great if you post your models result and original model. I mean, measured performance in the same situations to see the difference. This is what I did with SAMs. Compare with RL diagram your results. Because I cannon understand Russian I do not know which diagram should be reproduced by BMS4.
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If the aircraft and the engine produced in Russia is not surprising that all the primary sources in the Russian
All of the diagrams on the engine can be found here Al-31F http://1.airwar.z8.ru/bibl/al-31.zip
main, page 37, 40, 42To make the trajectory FM Su-27 requires the following charts and tables
Other charts for correction
Читал и рыдал просто, специалисты инженеры блин.
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I know where they found. I understand the trust curves. Other curvers are the problem. I did not asked to link what I know.
I aksed to show the performance of current model and your model comparing to a RL reference. This can be te way (?) to convince devs. This is why I opened this thread. I compared my models in same or almost the same situations as was made in RL test.
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All the documents were within the archive
And for specialists references to the abstract video does not need
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@OSD:
I was just funny the current situation, when I uploaded the modified FM https://www.benchmarksims.org/forum/showthread.php?7259-Changes-in-the-flight-model nobody was looking, and charts on which changes were made, too, no one was looking.
And the links that I gave, too, were not looking https://www.benchmarksims.org/forum/showthread.php?7259-Changes-in-the-flight-model&p=88539&viewfull=1#post88539 .
But all the criticized the.
To make the the FM Su-27, you need someone who good understanding in aerodynamics.Sorry m8 I forgot the thread and just responded to this one…
LOL we reinvented the wheel…Mav-jp is our man… Start licking him…
Please please…
We have f-16.
I’m sure M2k guys must be pushing for their FM… Also Mav is French so I’m sure he has something on the works… lol
F-18 is on the works if and a SU-27 will be close to real than we don’t want anything else… we can die in peace…
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Yo still do not understand me. My charts and diagrams shows even a non dev, that model is better. RL and sim characteristics are closer to each other. Very simple.
You linked many stuff that most of person did nto understand, because they are written in Russian. So how can be veryied your model even I have intention to reproduce the profiles? Pls. translate them.Not only a dev, but also a user should see why is better your model. Posting n+1 charct and a dat file is not too convincible. RESULT what is very important to SEE the difference. Can we see the difference after your updated post? No.
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https://www.benchmarksims.org/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7230&d=1329304632
And google translation:
limitations cause
A. Maximum speed and flight number Μ
- V = 1400 km / h Mode is not limited by time. _ On the strength.
-Μ = 2,35. If Μ = 2,15 - 2,35 no more than 5 minutes. Glazing lantern.
Two. Maximum operating load at design gross weight of 21,400 kg
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Pu max = 8.0 for M <0.85 On the strength.
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Pu max = 6.5 for 0.85 <m <1.25=“” on=“” the=“” strength.<br=“”>- Pu max = 7.0 for M> 1.25 On the strength.
For weights that differ from the estimated gross weight, overload is set at the rate of
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M * Pu max = const = 171 000 kg for M <0.85, but not more than Pu = 9.0
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M * Pu max = const = 139 000 kg 0.85 <m <1.25,=“” but=“” not=“” more=“” than=“” pu=“7.0<br”>- W * Pu max = const = 150 000 kg for M> 1.25, but not more than Pu = 7.5 _
Three. The minimum negative overload
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Pu min = -2.0 for M <0.85 On the strength.
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Pu, min = -1.0 for M> 0.85 On the strength.
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Pu min = -0.5 for V <300 km / h to avoid falling into a tailspin
4. The minimum level flight speed - 200 km / h At an altitude of 6,000 m - 300 km / h From the condition of stability and control STI
Five. Valid angles of attackA) For airplanes with no suspensions or SD For stability and control in the military-industrial complex.
Μ 0,5 0,6 0,7 0,8 0,9 1,0 2,0
ALM 24 ° 23 * 22 ° 20 '19 ° 18 ° 8 °B) To bomber aircraft by means of destruction and the LDCs: For stability and control in the military-industrial complex.
Μ 0,6 0,7 0,85
ALM 20 ° 18 ° 15 °WARNING: During takeoff - landing configuration (landing gear) α ^ = 20 "At the touch on landing 0 = 16 °. Across the gap from the tail to the runway.</m></m>