Aegean Theatre - IAP charts
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Could you Verify.
Hi my friend .
These are IAP charts for greek airports , but are civil ones . I mean that they are VOR/DME or NDB approaches and not TACAN or VORTAC that use the military aircrafts like the F-16 and others .
My IAP chart of Nea Anchialos is based on real TACAN approach .
With my regards .
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hi Nikos
If yo access to the page i can see that they are military airport with her Tacan. The others are civil.
Example. LGAD, LGBL, LGEL, LGLR, LGSR, LGTG, LGTL, LGTT and this charts has Tacan.
regardsExample Tanagra :http://www.fileserve.com/file/mCFShWT/Tangra Charts (LGTG).PDF
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hi Nikos
If yo access to the page i can see that they are military airport with her Tacan. The others are civil.
Example. LGAD, LGBL, LGEL, LGLR, LGSR, LGTG, LGTL, LGTT and this charts has Tacan.
regardsExample Tanagra :http://www.fileserve.com/file/mCFShWT/Tangra Charts (LGTG).PDF
Hi my friend .
Well there is a misunderstanding by you . Let me help you to clear it .
At my previous post i said : “These are IAP charts for greek airports , but are civil ones . I mean that they are VOR/DME or NDB approaches and not TACAN or VORTAC that use the military aircrafts like the F-16 and others .
My IAP chart of Nea Anchialos is based on real TACAN approach .”
As you can see i didn’t said that the airports were civil , i said that the IAP (Instrument Approach Procedure) charts are civil and actually they are .
The airports that you mention are military and of course has a TACAN station , but at the specific site that you give they have approach charts only for civil use (VOR/DME or NDB approaches) . And at example of Tanagra airbase that you give , you will see at pages 5 and 6 the VOR/DME approach to RWY 28 . Below is the page 6 of Tanagra pdf :
Now take a look at a TACAN approach chart :
and at a VORTAC approach chart :
The military aircrafts can only have a distance (DME) indication of a VOR/DME station and not a bearing indication , if they set the appropriate channel , e.g. for Tanagra VOR/DME approach is the channel 055X (from TGG VOR/DME station) .
So these approaches ARE NOT FOR USE WITH MILITARY AIRCRAFTS !
I think now to be clear for you that all of these charts of the specific site are for civil use . So we can not use them to create charts for Aegean theater because we need TACAN or VORTAC approaches charts .
With my regards .
Nikos . -
WoWwwwww … super … good job Nikos thanks a lot again …
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u know what we want to see with those beautiful TACAN charts of Tanagra… the electricity cables with the metallic balls for avoidance… Oh dear dream on Arty…
On the other hand this could be done just for airports…
like a huge long bridge…
Right?
Am I right?
and at the ends have the cables go down to earth like going underground… Right? Right?
PLEAAAAASSSSSEEEEEE???
Yea I know…
1. O.T. Sorry couldn’t hold it…
2. Yea why don’t I do it by myself… -
u know what we want to see with those beautiful TACAN charts of Tanagra… the electricity cables with the metallic balls for avoidance… Oh dear dream on Arty…
On the other hand this could be done just for airports…
like a huge long bridge…
Right?
Am I right?
and at the ends have the cables go down to earth like going underground… Right? Right?
PLEAAAAASSSSSEEEEEE???
Yea I know…
1. O.T. Sorry couldn’t hold it…
2. Yea why don’t I do it by myself…Hi my friend .
Do you want that pylons inside the theater or to show them in IAP chart ?
Personally i have not see them in any IAP chart . If you have , please post a photo of this chart .
Nikos . -
Hi my friend .
Do you want that pylons inside the theater or to show them in IAP chart ?
Personally i have not see them in any IAP chart . If you have , please post a photo of this chart .
Nikos .lol I believe the chart covers them… else the pilot will see them… they are just vertical to the runway after the highway towards Athens. Trying to find some pics…
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lol I believe the chart covers them… else the pilot will see them… they are just vertical to the runway after the highway towards Athens. Trying to find some pics…
Copy that .
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Hi guys.
Well after the IAP (Instrument Approach Procedure) chart for Nea Anchialos airbase in Greece, now it’s time for the IAP chart of Balikesir airbase in Turkey, home of 2 squadrons of F-16 block 50 in real life.
Below you can see a preview of the chart, that is a jpg photo:
Download both charts and the updated NavAids for Balikesir and Nea Anchialos airbases (just to work without conflicts) from here (instructions included in the zip file), file “Aegean_IAP_charts.zip” 689 KB:
RE-DOWNLOAD THE ZIP FILE, ALSO INCLUDED THE 2 PROCEDURES (HOW TO EXECUTE THEM)!
https://hotfile.com/dl/150245284/7633289/Aegean_IAP_charts.zip.htmlPrint the jpg photos to A4 paper size (21X29.7 cm or 8.3X11.7 inches).
Then copy the “stations+ils.dat” file to correct location, just like the “Installation instructions.txt” said.
All the data from Balikesir IAP chart are conformal with the updated NavAids, but from the IAP chart of Nea Anchialos the tower UHF and VHF frequencies are different, so even if the chart gives UHF / VHF frequencies: 257.80 / 122.10 please use them: UHF / VHF frequencies: 257.85 / 122.15 for Nea Anchialos!
TACAN range for Balikesir is 25 NM and for Nea Anchialos is 100 NM.Now let me give you SOME USEFUL INFOS ABOUT THE PROCEDURE:
1) In order to have a perfect alignment with runway centerline and because of the fact that the DME of the last waypoint has a decimal digit, you must insert GPS coordinates of TACAN station over a steerpoint and make this steerpoint current, so you can turn to final approach course aligned with runway centreline at exactly DME of last waypoint!
You also must set the Instr mode to NAV and set the appropriate course at HSI, e.g. for final approach segment for Balikesir is 355 and for final approach segment for Nea Anchialos is 270.
2) It is critical that at FAF waypoint (or steerpoint) be at precise altitude with landing gears down and air brakes extended. Then at FAF DME start your descent with 2.5 degrees. There is an intermediate waypoint between FAF and last waypoint (that you turn to final approach course) just for altitude check and minor corrections.
3) Missed approach turn and holding turns must be executed with turn radius of 1.1 DME (N.M.), meaning IAS 200 knots and bank angle of 30 degrees.
4) Turns to join the arc (12 and 13 DME) and to leave it, must be executed with IAS 250 knots and bank angle of 30 degrees.
5) Rates of descent:
i) Balikesir: 130 FT/NM = 1.2 degrees, 300 FT/NM = 2.8 degrees.
ii) Nea Anchialos: 235 FT/NM = 2.2 degrees, 265 FT/NM = 2.5 degrees.
6) In Falcon BMS we have wind (it works), so even if you may be precisely on CDI and turn exactly at last waypoint (or steerpoint), you may find yourself a little offset of runway. If this happens, do that: i) For Nea Anchialos a) If you are offset and LEFT of runway, then execute a Missed approach and start a new approach. But this time turn at last DME - 0.1 = 2.4 DME (and not at 2.5 DME). b) If you are offset and RIGHT of runway, then execute a Missed approach and start a new approach. But this time turn at last DME + 0.1 = 2.6 DME (and not at 2.5 DME).
ii) For Balikesir we do exactly the opposite a) If you are offset and LEFT of runway, then at new approach turn at last DME + 0.1 = 2.2 DME (and not at 2.1 DME). b) If you are offset and RIGHT of runway, then at new approach turn at last DME - 0.1 = 2.0 DME (and not at 2.1 DME).
- The charts are under scale, so they are extremely precise. Everything has precise bearing, distance and altitude.So funs of Aegean theater get the charts and try them.
If you want to ask something about the procedure, something that you don’t understand, please feel free to do that. My pleasure to help you.
I hope to enjoy also this new IAP chart for Balikesir airbase.
With my regards and from all other “Aegean Theater Team” members.
Nikos Eystratiou. -
good job,thanks for sharing.
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+1 here, it will be one more nice and accurate job of yours as your usual, Nikos.
Keep on straight this way, uaglio’ (said in barese way):D
Gianni.
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Once again, your work is great my friend…;)
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Hello Nikos my friend,
First: thank you for the gift to make my TE as it should be
Second: Very interesting to start from Balikesir airbase, that is used in real RL with F-16 of the Turkish air force.
Thank you to all members of the Aigais theater - another step to perfection was made by you guys.
Maybe my question is premature - you’ve done something in terms of the "point of interest " ?
Turkey and Greece as well is the historical cradle of Europe, in this matter I like to ask you - how is this in the theater.
For example:
Turkey: Pamukkale - Istanbul (The Blue Mosque), the Bosborus bridges,Troya e.c
Greece: Acropolis, the ancient harbor of Rhodes. Just to name a view - some of those places would be nice to see in the theater.
I guess I just wait and see what you guys come up with.
σας ευχαριστώ - teşekkür ederim
regards Falcontower
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I have to admit I am too dumb for this. I tried it the way (easy of course) I recall from tutos with larger airbases and just could not find the ILS frequency, so I guess I am making a public noob out of me hehe and simply need to deal with frequencies.
Anyway, took some nice “bust the tower” screens I will post in the big screenshot thread by the former member TAGMAN…
Cheerio
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At “141st_Kaplan”, “Jackal” and “desert eagle”:
Thank you guys for your kindly words. I’m glad that you like the second IAP chart of Aegean theater that published.
At “Falcontower”:
Hi my friend. Well you can enjoy the IAP chart of Balikesir with your falcon pilots and have a great T.E. with real procedure to land at the Balikesir airport!
At all Aegean funs:
If you have any questions about the procedure, please feel free to ask me. My pleasure to help you ;).
With my best regards.
Nikos. -
I have to admit I am too dumb for this. I tried it the way (easy of course) I recall from tutos with larger airbases and just could not find the ILS frequency, so I guess I am making a public noob out of me hehe and simply need to deal with frequencies.
Anyway, took some nice “bust the tower” screens I will post in the big screenshot thread by the former member TAGMAN…
Cheerio
Hi my friend Thorsten.
Well the specific IAP chart for Balikesir airbase is a TACAN approach and NOT an ILS approach. Balikesir airport have not ILS system in real life, also in Aegean theater. So you must use the TACAN station of Balikesir airport in order to have an aid to land to it. And in order to have a precise last turn, you must insert the GPS coordinates of TACAN station (chart give them) over a steerpoint and make it current and set your Instr Mode to NAV.
So this is the way that you must do it:
First you must start the procedure from the IAF (Initial Approach Fix) waypoint (or steerpoint), means from BRI R-125/11 DME at 5,000 ft. (BRI=the ID of the TACAN of Balikesir, R=radial-the course at HSI, DME=NM=Nautical Miles).
Even if you approach the airport from East, you can pass the IAF waypoint and make a turn to heading to it. Also you must manage to reach it with speed of 250 knots.
Then when you are exactly at 11 DME, you must start your right turn to join the 13 DME arc with 30 degrees of bank (and speed of 250 knots) and simultaneously start your descent with 130 FT/NM = 1.2 degrees. When you are at R-155 you must check your altitude and you must be at about 3,970 ft. If you are a little upper or lower you must correct your altitude accordingly. After pass the R-155 you set at the HSI for course 167, which is the LR (Lead Radial=the radial that we starting the turn to the final approach course inbound to airport). So when you are just at R-167, start your right turn with speed of 250 knots and 30 degrees of bank. This guides you over R-175 and at 11 DME inbound to airport. At this point and if you have had manage a good descent you must be at about 3,240 ft. Now set at HSI course of 175 (or 355) and continue the descent but from this waypoint with rate of 300 FT/NM = 2.8 degrees while keeping the CDI at the HSI centered. Now the most importan section of the approach: You must manage to be at FAF (Final Approach Fix) waypoint (or steerpoint) which is at BRI R-175/6 DME at exactly 1,740 ft. This is very critical, because at FAF waypoint you start the final descent with rate of 265 FT/NM = 2.5 degrees. That means you guide your fpm (flight path marker) just over the 2.5 degrees pitch ladder dive and keep it (the fpm) there until you reach the threshold area. Simultaneously you keep the top of AOA (Angle Of Attack) bracket just to the same level with your fpm (this gives you 11 deg. AOA). At BRI R-175/4 DME you can check your altitude and must be at about 1,210 ft. If you are not near, you must do minor corrections. Then last action is to make the final turn to runway, this is done at BRI R-175/2.1 DME and you turn to 010 degrees. At this waypoint you must be at about 700 ft. Then you keep the heading of 010 degrees and you must see the runway threshold area (and if it is night the ALS-Approach Lighting System, for Balikesir is type ALSF-2 see the chart at top and left). If needed you must do minor corrections to your heading and then you have a touch down.
If something goes wrong, you can execute a missed approach (as described in chart) and start a new approach.So my friend i think that now it’s much more clear what you must do ;).
Try it after that and tell me if this helps. If you have any more questions, just ask me, i’m here.
With my regards.
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Thank you very much, Nikos!
TBH: I rather doubt I will manage this without trying ca 30 times, but I am impressed by your indepth knowledge!
Bravo…I will download your instruction and save it together with your navigation charts.I will also try it and in any case thank you my friend…!
I think it is good that the Luftwaffe lost me as pilot (I decided to not go there almost being enlisted and training)…because I definately would have made my landings Sledge Hammer style…
Cheers
Thorsten
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Well, there we go…
Trying the landing in Balikesir AFB. Actually very few times, due time or laziness, we land following the pattern indicated in the charts and I have to say that it´s wonderful: I enjoyed it! Next time I try it without turbulences because I have “felt” a little stress. I can´t check and take caps at same time (Hence the small deviation, altitude and the fall of speed)
The pics…
Recce of AFB
Intercepting course of exit
R-175(355) and close to the final turn
On “final” final (:D), 010
Parking
Nikos
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Well, there we go…
Trying the landing in Balikesir AFB. Actually very few times, due time or laziness, we land following the pattern indicated in the charts and I have to say that it´s wonderful: I enjoyed it! Next time I try it without turbulences because I have “felt” a little stress. I can´t check and take caps at same time (Hence the small deviation, altitude and the fall of speed)
The pics…
R-175(355) and close to the final turn
On “final” final (:D), 010
Nikos
Hi my friend Thomas.
Very good approach and “by the book”. At the 1st photo “R-175(355) and close to the final turn” you are almost perfect (only a little lower, but inside the limits)!
My congratulations for the great execution of the procedure!
Obviously you got the point which is: just before the final turn at BRI R-175/2.1 DME you must be exactly on centered CDI, as close as possible! Then if you turn to 010 heading (from 355 heading) just at 2.1 DME you will find yourself very well aligned with runway 01 centerline.
I’m very pleased that you find the IAP chart for Balikesir helpful ;).
So until next one, my regards mate.
Nikos.