Solved Crash to Desktop Falcon BMS 4.37.3 Unplayable issue (LG 29WP60G-B Ultra Wide Monitor + Gigabyte GTX 1650 4GB GDDR6 Graphics Card )
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Most probably the issue is the combination of your PSU and your new gigabyte vga.
Your PSU is 320W and the VGA says it needs 300W PSU.
Those small factor form systems don’t have the power to drive energy hungry HW.
u’d say why zotac works… well zotac is lower on specs and says draws 75W while Gigabyte doesn’t say the max wattage needed is obvious that it needs more than that so the assumption is that you are out of juice on it. -
@Arty in theory 75W is the max power draw from the motherboard PCIe slot … same for both … but you may still be right.
two ways to test the theory by artificially limiting the power draw…
1- NVidia console – set a max FPS cap, say 20 or 30 or whatever smallest number it will let you
2- MSI Afterburner – or similar tool, allows you set a % power limit on NVidia cards
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@john1974
I’m agree with @Arty ; the PSU is underpowered in any case. The first action I would do is to get a 650W Bronze/Gold PSU, aren’t so expensive and garantee enough power for every use. I’ve recently got a similar issue that drove me nuts. My Asus-NVidia GTX1050Ti suddenly crashed out when called to perfomance (i.e. graphic rendering or BMS when in flight), got me figured out he was gone to graphic cards heven (5 years of service, can make sense…). Purchased a new Asus RX580OC 6GB, and with my surprise the crash-in-to-dark was still present. I’ve even tried to downrate the refresh frequency at minimum available, and noticed that was a 'lil bit better but definitely not solved.
Well, being shorty, a BIOS check revealed a randomly 10,4 V onto the 12V CoolerMaster 650W PSU line (3,3V and 5V seemed ok). Replaced with a new 750W, and back to fly. Needless to say that GTX1050Ti is in perfect shape…
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@jayb said in Crash to Desktop Falcon BMS 4.37.3 Unplayable issue (LG 29WP60G-B Ultra Wide Monitor + Gigabyte GTX 1650 4GB GDDR6 Graphics Card ):
@Arty might be on to something - those standardized systems are built as an entity leaving not much wiggleroom besides hard drive or perhaps some RAM. But are you able to run any other games on the new card, anything that would trigger a 3D workload ? Or some 3D benchmark ?
Yes I was able to run other games, with no issues on the PSU or CTD’s no hangups either. As I previously mentioned I ran OCCT and FurMark which is notorious for basically destroying graphics card during tests and yet my new GTX 1650 GDDR6 passed all the stress test with no issues of hanging up the PC or even destroying the new card.
Yet when I load BMS 4.37.3.2, the moment it says… 'please wait until your cockpit is setup’, it goes into a FREEZE and then it CTD’s…
And for the sake of my assumption that I may have had a “defective” card…I ended up spending another $250 dollars of the same card just to make sure, so it’s on its way.
Also regarding the PSU and the GTX 1650 power draw…during stress tests, it never hit pass the mark of the 75W, it was either going max 65 to 75W, maybe 76W give or take but never pass 80W or something.
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@john1974 Has anything changed regarding sound devices or cabling? Does it ctd in every training TE, for instance the ground ops one from ramp ?
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@jayb said in Crash to Desktop Falcon BMS 4.37.3 Unplayable issue (LG 29WP60G-B Ultra Wide Monitor + Gigabyte GTX 1650 4GB GDDR6 Graphics Card ):
@john1974 Has anything changed regarding sound devices or cabling? Does it ctd in every training TE, for instance the ground ops one from ramp ?
no changes in sound devices and cabling, just switched video cards. Yes i tried all parts of the sim, from trainings to campaigns even dogfight, it CTD’s the moment it says ‘please wait until your cockpit is setup’ message.
I guess in future, it’s best that the BMS Launcher has the ability to do the automatic upload of the CTD crash dumps rather than having to discuss this and making guesses. I just thought i’d share this so the developers are aware of it. Even if they can also test it on the SAME machine as I have with the same Gigabyte GTX 1650 GDDR6 OC Low Profile video card brand, it would be great.
It’s a cheap PC, I mean for $50 dollars on eBay it’s a good buy to test it out, it’s only the video card that’s very expensive seeing that supply of parts is low due to the ongoing war and economic status.
Anyways, I will rerun the Stress test to push this beyond limits of the card, and see if it crashes my PC then I know that I got a defective card, but so far after the previous Stress tests i’ve done, the card Passed with no issues.
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29 minutes of run on OCCT with error detection and the card is running well so far
as you can see at 100% load, draw power TDP is only at 64.2W, not even hitting the max 75W let alone going past that.
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test completed…No Errors found, no crashes, no hangups
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have u tried uninstall and re install?
Also u don’t have any crashlogs so something forcefully causes Falcon to crash.
It might help if you enable full crash dumps from windows.
https://forum.falcon-bms.com/topic/20866/enabling-dump-files-at-all-times-and-creating-frozen-game-dump-files -
@john1974 Yet when I load BMS 4.37.3.2, the moment it says… 'please wait until your cockpit is setup’, it goes into a FREEZE and then it CTD’s…
Did you consider to scale down to 4.37U3 ? just to make a move…
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The reason for my inquiry wrt sound is that you actually make it into 3D. But once the script has run you ctd. That could be related to in-game sounds kicking off
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@Arty I did set the crash logs and followed the guide…please see below:
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@Coral36 yup i just did that as well…re-installed without the Hotfixes. Same issue CTD.
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@john1974 sorry if I missed … did you try the max frame rate = 20 test?
just something easy to try, and should eliminate concern over power draw
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Here’s a link to the Crash Dump, I zipped only 1 of the dump and uploaded to my dropbox just to see if anyone can help.
If any developer knows what’s going on, please help. Thanks.
Here’s a screenshot of the dumps being generated everytime it CTD’s
as for Logs, all it says “dtc_last_flight_faults.txt” with zero byte
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Not specific to this issue but there has been a number of these CTD-with-no-logfile lately. It happened to me and on occasion someone reports a similar incident here. Really hard to figure out what happened. Could be issues in the hardware/driver layer sitting between BMS and Windows.
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@jayb yes I’m taking a look at the dmp and this seems like something that should have generated a crash_log.txt file … meta-bug
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Taking a look… it does appear to be a breakpoint exception on the render thread. Not sure cause yet, or why there’s no log generated.
0:031> !analyze -v ******************************************************************************* * * * Exception Analysis * * * ******************************************************************************* KEY_VALUES_STRING: 1 Key : Analysis.CPU.mSec Value: 6233 Key : Analysis.Elapsed.mSec Value: 6658 Key : Analysis.IO.Other.Mb Value: 45 Key : Analysis.IO.Read.Mb Value: 261 Key : Analysis.IO.Write.Mb Value: 535 Key : Analysis.Init.CPU.mSec Value: 21781 Key : Analysis.Init.Elapsed.mSec Value: 1490868 Key : Analysis.Memory.CommitPeak.Mb Value: 291 Key : Failure.Bucket Value: BREAKPOINT_80000003_Falcon_BMS.exe!bp::RendererD3D11::executeCameraDrawList Key : Failure.Hash Value: {28a57d9b-e970-76f9-c752-9c3e55777f48} Key : Timeline.OS.Boot.DeltaSec Value: 9700 Key : Timeline.Process.Start.DeltaSec Value: 30 Key : WER.OS.Branch Value: vb_release Key : WER.OS.Version Value: 10.0.19041.1 Key : WER.Process.Version Value: 4.37.3.1358 FILE_IN_CAB: Falcon BMS.exe.12888.dmp NTGLOBALFLAG: 0 PROCESS_BAM_CURRENT_THROTTLED: 0 PROCESS_BAM_PREVIOUS_THROTTLED: 0 APPLICATION_VERIFIER_FLAGS: 0 CONTEXT: (.ecxr) rax=000000008899000c rbx=0000000000000000 rcx=000000000300da90 rdx=00007ff92d8d2390 rsi=00000002e1ef8d60 rdi=0000000035defea0 rip=000000000463cacd rsp=0000000035defd50 rbp=0000000035defdb9 r8=00000000030583e0 r9=0000000000000000 r10=0000000035def640 r11=0000000035def5a0 r12=0000000000000000 r13=00000002e1efcca0 r14=000000002ef5e4a0 r15=0000000000000001 iopl=0 nv up ei ng nz na po nc cs=0033 ss=002b ds=002b es=002b fs=0053 gs=002b efl=00000286 Falcon_BMS!bp::RendererD3D11::executeCameraDrawList+0x4fd: 00000000`0463cacd cc int 3 Resetting default scope EXCEPTION_RECORD: (.exr -1) ExceptionAddress: 000000000463cacd (Falcon_BMS!bp::RendererD3D11::executeCameraDrawList+0x00000000000004fd) ExceptionCode: 80000003 (Break instruction exception) ExceptionFlags: 00000000 NumberParameters: 1 Parameter[0]: 0000000000000000 PROCESS_NAME: Falcon BMS.exe ERROR_CODE: (NTSTATUS) 0x80000003 - {EXCEPTION} Breakpoint A breakpoint has been reached. EXCEPTION_CODE_STR: 80000003 EXCEPTION_PARAMETER1: 0000000000000000 STACK_TEXT: 00000000`35defd50 00000000`0463c4ba : 00000000`3ae88a00 ffffffff`ff676901 00000000`35defea0 00000000`35defeb0 : Falcon_BMS!bp::RendererD3D11::executeCameraDrawList+0x4fd 00000000`35defe20 00000000`0463b471 : 00000000`2ef50066 00000002`dd080040 00000000`3a8897d0 00000000`00000738 : Falcon_BMS!bp::RendererD3D11::executeFrameDrawList+0x24a 00000000`35defea0 00000000`0463b378 : 00000002`dd080040 00000000`00000000 00000016`885032ad 00000000`2efd8090 : Falcon_BMS!bp::RendererD3D11::renderThreadCB+0xf1 00000000`35deff00 00007ff9`32cc7344 : 00000000`00000000 00000000`00000000 00000000`00000000 00000000`00000000 : Falcon_BMS!bp::RendererD3D11::renderThread+0x38 00000000`35deff30 00007ff9`33ba26b1 : 00000000`00000000 00000000`00000000 00000000`00000000 00000000`00000000 : kernel32!BaseThreadInitThunk+0x14 00000000`35deff60 00000000`00000000 : 00000000`00000000 00000000`00000000 00000000`00000000 00000000`00000000 : ntdll!RtlUserThreadStart+0x21 FAULTING_SOURCE_LINE: E:\BMS\bms-code\Graphics\Bluebox\Engine\D3D11\RendererD3D11.cpp FAULTING_SOURCE_FILE: E:\BMS\bms-code\Graphics\Bluebox\Engine\D3D11\RendererD3D11.cpp FAULTING_SOURCE_LINE_NUMBER: 1716 FAULTING_SOURCE_CODE: No source found for 'E:\BMS\bms-code\Graphics\Bluebox\Engine\D3D11\RendererD3D11.cpp' SYMBOL_NAME: Falcon_BMS!bp::RendererD3D11::executeCameraDrawList+4fd MODULE_NAME: Falcon_BMS IMAGE_NAME: Falcon BMS.exe STACK_COMMAND: ~31s; .ecxr ; kb BUCKET_ID_MODPRIVATE: 1 FAILURE_BUCKET_ID: BREAKPOINT_80000003_Falcon_BMS.exe!bp::RendererD3D11::executeCameraDrawList OS_VERSION: 10.0.19041.1 BUILDLAB_STR: vb_release OSPLATFORM_TYPE: x64 OSNAME: Windows 10 IMAGE_VERSION: 4.37.3.1358 FAILURE_ID_HASH: {28a57d9b-e970-76f9-c752-9c3e55777f48} Followup: MachineOwner ---------
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@airtex2019 There goes my sound issue theory In my defense, some weird stuff from over the years has been due to sound devices