Solved Crash to Desktop Falcon BMS 4.37.3 Unplayable issue (LG 29WP60G-B Ultra Wide Monitor + Gigabyte GTX 1650 4GB GDDR6 Graphics Card )
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@jayb did a good job of covering the basics … not sure what else to try
does the problem happen in Fullscreen or Borderless mode or both?
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@jayb said in Crash to Desktop Falcon BMS 4.37.3 Unplayable issue (LG 29WP60G-B Ultra Wide Monitor + Gigabyte GTX 1650 4GB GDDR6 Graphics Card ):
@john1974 Yeah that is strange. Not an expert but the dmp file seems to have a bit strange name. Normally, they would have a name like “2023-11-16_154724_crash.dmp”. Have you tried enabling dumps according to this:
@jayb, yes that’s the guide I followed. And that’s how it was able to create those dumps.
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@airtex2019 , I tried both fullscreen and borderless, both did CTD’s…no go at all.
On my Zotac GTX 1050 TI 4GB GDDR5, ran perfectly stable, but low FPS, around 50’s only and when the treelines become dense during campaign, it stutters and reaches 30-40fps only. Which is why I purchased this new brand new Gigabyte GTX 1650 GDDR6 supposedly would increase the frame rates, but sadly though, just didn’t go as planned.
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@john1974 I saw you said you did NVCleanInstall (which is great, I’m a fan of that) but can you clarify, did you actually click the checkbox to do a clean install (as in, nuke any nvidia settings left over from previous driver)
I also upgraded an old box from 1050 Ti to 1660 Ti (similar gen) and I do recall I had to do that… it was over a year ago, I don’t remember what stability problems I was having but NVidia wasn’t happy reading some older setting, idk.
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@airtex2019 said in Crash to Desktop Falcon BMS 4.37.3 Unplayable issue (LG 29WP60G-B Ultra Wide Monitor + Gigabyte GTX 1650 4GB GDDR6 Graphics Card ):
@john1974 I saw you said you did NVCleanInstall (which is great, I’m a fan of that) but can you clarify, did you actually click the checkbox to do a clean install (as in, nuke any nvidia settings left over from previous driver)
I also upgraded an old box from 1050 Ti to 1660 Ti (similar gen) and I do recall I had to do that… it was over a year ago, I don’t remember what stability problems I was having but NVidia wasn’t happy reading some older setting, idk.
Yup i did full nuke of it as in clean install, removed all drivers, clean install using NVCleanInstall, uninstalled and deleted even the Falcon BMS folders and doing a clean vanilla re-install, and it was no go regardless.
The only solution was to put back the older GTX 1050 TI…I even stressed tested my Gigabyte GTX 1650 GDDR6 and it was unstoppable, it passed all the hard tests in 3D mode even the heat was at 67-70c on full stress using OCCT and FurMark, no crashes whatsoever on the card.
But the moment I run BMS 4.37.3.2…and clicking [TAKEOFF]…boom CTD’s
I also wonder if BMS is planning on directly doing an upload of the Crash dumps within the Launcher automatically during CTD’s instead of having them manually done that way its a quick turn-around to see any bugs for future updates.
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here’s my graphics settings on both my Zotac GTX 1050 TI GDDR5 and my Gigabyte GTX 1650 GDDR6
it runs perfect with no issues on the Zotac card, at 2560x1080 (but runs at lower frame rates), but on the new card though, no go.
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@john1974 the only more powerful medicine I know, is DDU display driver uninstaller
it’s ridiculous that such a thing need exist
but I guess cases like yours, maybe why
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Most probably the issue is the combination of your PSU and your new gigabyte vga.
Your PSU is 320W and the VGA says it needs 300W PSU.
Those small factor form systems don’t have the power to drive energy hungry HW.
u’d say why zotac works… well zotac is lower on specs and says draws 75W while Gigabyte doesn’t say the max wattage needed is obvious that it needs more than that so the assumption is that you are out of juice on it. -
@Arty in theory 75W is the max power draw from the motherboard PCIe slot … same for both … but you may still be right.
two ways to test the theory by artificially limiting the power draw…
1- NVidia console – set a max FPS cap, say 20 or 30 or whatever smallest number it will let you
2- MSI Afterburner – or similar tool, allows you set a % power limit on NVidia cards
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@john1974
I’m agree with @Arty ; the PSU is underpowered in any case. The first action I would do is to get a 650W Bronze/Gold PSU, aren’t so expensive and garantee enough power for every use. I’ve recently got a similar issue that drove me nuts. My Asus-NVidia GTX1050Ti suddenly crashed out when called to perfomance (i.e. graphic rendering or BMS when in flight), got me figured out he was gone to graphic cards heven (5 years of service, can make sense…). Purchased a new Asus RX580OC 6GB, and with my surprise the crash-in-to-dark was still present. I’ve even tried to downrate the refresh frequency at minimum available, and noticed that was a 'lil bit better but definitely not solved.
Well, being shorty, a BIOS check revealed a randomly 10,4 V onto the 12V CoolerMaster 650W PSU line (3,3V and 5V seemed ok). Replaced with a new 750W, and back to fly. Needless to say that GTX1050Ti is in perfect shape…
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@jayb said in Crash to Desktop Falcon BMS 4.37.3 Unplayable issue (LG 29WP60G-B Ultra Wide Monitor + Gigabyte GTX 1650 4GB GDDR6 Graphics Card ):
@Arty might be on to something - those standardized systems are built as an entity leaving not much wiggleroom besides hard drive or perhaps some RAM. But are you able to run any other games on the new card, anything that would trigger a 3D workload ? Or some 3D benchmark ?
Yes I was able to run other games, with no issues on the PSU or CTD’s no hangups either. As I previously mentioned I ran OCCT and FurMark which is notorious for basically destroying graphics card during tests and yet my new GTX 1650 GDDR6 passed all the stress test with no issues of hanging up the PC or even destroying the new card.
Yet when I load BMS 4.37.3.2, the moment it says… 'please wait until your cockpit is setup’, it goes into a FREEZE and then it CTD’s…
And for the sake of my assumption that I may have had a “defective” card…I ended up spending another $250 dollars of the same card just to make sure, so it’s on its way.
Also regarding the PSU and the GTX 1650 power draw…during stress tests, it never hit pass the mark of the 75W, it was either going max 65 to 75W, maybe 76W give or take but never pass 80W or something.
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@john1974 Has anything changed regarding sound devices or cabling? Does it ctd in every training TE, for instance the ground ops one from ramp ?
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@jayb said in Crash to Desktop Falcon BMS 4.37.3 Unplayable issue (LG 29WP60G-B Ultra Wide Monitor + Gigabyte GTX 1650 4GB GDDR6 Graphics Card ):
@john1974 Has anything changed regarding sound devices or cabling? Does it ctd in every training TE, for instance the ground ops one from ramp ?
no changes in sound devices and cabling, just switched video cards. Yes i tried all parts of the sim, from trainings to campaigns even dogfight, it CTD’s the moment it says ‘please wait until your cockpit is setup’ message.
I guess in future, it’s best that the BMS Launcher has the ability to do the automatic upload of the CTD crash dumps rather than having to discuss this and making guesses. I just thought i’d share this so the developers are aware of it. Even if they can also test it on the SAME machine as I have with the same Gigabyte GTX 1650 GDDR6 OC Low Profile video card brand, it would be great.
It’s a cheap PC, I mean for $50 dollars on eBay it’s a good buy to test it out, it’s only the video card that’s very expensive seeing that supply of parts is low due to the ongoing war and economic status.
Anyways, I will rerun the Stress test to push this beyond limits of the card, and see if it crashes my PC then I know that I got a defective card, but so far after the previous Stress tests i’ve done, the card Passed with no issues.
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29 minutes of run on OCCT with error detection and the card is running well so far
as you can see at 100% load, draw power TDP is only at 64.2W, not even hitting the max 75W let alone going past that.
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test completed…No Errors found, no crashes, no hangups
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have u tried uninstall and re install?
Also u don’t have any crashlogs so something forcefully causes Falcon to crash.
It might help if you enable full crash dumps from windows.
https://forum.falcon-bms.com/topic/20866/enabling-dump-files-at-all-times-and-creating-frozen-game-dump-files -
@john1974 Yet when I load BMS 4.37.3.2, the moment it says… 'please wait until your cockpit is setup’, it goes into a FREEZE and then it CTD’s…
Did you consider to scale down to 4.37U3 ? just to make a move…
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The reason for my inquiry wrt sound is that you actually make it into 3D. But once the script has run you ctd. That could be related to in-game sounds kicking off
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@Arty I did set the crash logs and followed the guide…please see below: