Solved Crash to Desktop Falcon BMS 4.37.3 Unplayable issue (LG 29WP60G-B Ultra Wide Monitor + Gigabyte GTX 1650 4GB GDDR6 Graphics Card )
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just checked RAM, they’re all OK. So that error NVLDDMKM event error wasn’t related to my 32 GB RAM.
How I tested it is by swapping back the original HP RAM 8GB that came with the PC when I bought it, which I upgraded a few months ago with a 32GB RAM, and they were running great. So after swapping back the original RAM…I ran BMS thinking it would work this time but sadly…it CTD’d. So issue is not RAM related, it would still point to a BUG (Line #1716, in RendererD3D11.cpp) in the program that’s causing the event error.
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@john1974 Youd better hope its not a BMS bug. Since you are the only one in the world having it its unlikely they will run it down. I am pretty sure its something going on at your end. If your psu is older it might not be giving you the watts it is supposed to. They do fail you know and usually gradually before they die. It happened to me and similar to what is happening to you. Or the videocard is faulty.
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@john1974 thanks for the logs, nothing jumps out at me as wrong
there … but with a sudden hard crash like this, it may be missing the final few lines (buffers not written to disk) so hard to know for sure… but it was worth a try.Only remaining things I can think of (what would I do?)…
1- try https://www.wagnardsoft.com/display-driver-uninstaller-DDU-
I know you’ve uninistalled and re-installed, but the NVidia drivers famously leave a lot of trash behind. the “perform a clean installation” checkbox is supposed to clear all that, but apparently it doesn’t? idk but apparently DDU has some reason for existing.
2- try underclocking the card a bit, with MSI Afterburner … reduce power draw and reduce any stability problems, if you’re seeing nvlddmkm.sys errors in Windows logs
3- I still have my 1660 Ti in a shoebox, and enough older parts laying around – I’ll build a 3rd gen Intel system for downlevel testing U4 just to make sure we’re covered on that.
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@airtex2019 said in Crash to Desktop Falcon BMS 4.37.3 Unplayable issue (LG 29WP60G-B Ultra Wide Monitor + Gigabyte GTX 1650 4GB GDDR6 Graphics Card ):
@john1974 thanks for the logs, nothing jumps out at me as wrong
there … but with a sudden hard crash like this, it may be missing the final few lines (buffers not written to disk) so hard to know for sure… but it was worth a try.Only remaining things I can think of (what would I do?)…
1- try https://www.wagnardsoft.com/display-driver-uninstaller-DDU-
I know you’ve uninistalled and re-installed, but the NVidia drivers famously leave a lot of trash behind. the “perform a clean installation” checkbox is supposed to clear all that, but apparently it doesn’t? idk but apparently DDU has some reason for existing.
2- try underclocking the card a bit, with MSI Afterburner … reduce power draw and reduce any stability problems, if you’re seeing nvlddmkm.sys errors in Windows logs
3- I still have my 1660 Ti in a shoebox, and enough older parts laying around – I’ll build a 3rd gen Intel system for downlevel testing U4 just to make sure we’re covered on that.
#1 and #2 was done this morning, I ran DDU to basically clean sleet the NVIDIA Drivers and still was no go.
I did #2 step and basically underclocked Memory Clock and Core clock to -100 and still no go…both CTD’sI’m re-running the stress test on GPU again just now at an EXTREME level to see if it will fail, but none resulted in ERRORS.
As a final test, i’m now installing the BMS 4.36 version because this version ran perfectly well with the GTX 1030 GDDR5 which I purchased brand new before going GTX 1050 TI GDDR5 which is also brand new. If my GTX 1650 GDDR6 will run on the BMS 4.36, then for sure the BMS 4.37 has a bug and needs to be fixed.
Imagine how much i’ve already spent on $$$ on graphics card just to get this thing running.
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Ha! I was correct, I just finished installing BMS 4.36 and ran it 1st time…BOOM! It runs!!!
Perfectly running!!!
That means BMS 4.37.3.2 has a bug and that line # specifically mentioned needs to be fixed??? unsure
No underclocking, no non sense registry editing no nothing…just plain vanilla unadulterated setup of BMS 4.36 and it RUNS!!!
will continue to observe 4.36 to see
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This is weird
After installing 4.36, it ran perfectly for a bit. So I then re-installed 4.37, it ran perfectly as well. After changing my resolution to 2560 x 1080, then things didn’t go well…both CTD’d
oohhh my goodness, this is frustrating.
My hunch on this is that my stress test may be running well but I’m thinking the GPU card may be defective. I’m so sorry guys/gals, this has been a tough journey running the latest BMS on this card.
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after much investigating and tweaking of this card, so far I finally got it to run “Stable”…in quotes still as I am still not sure how long will it last…I set my MSI After burner to lower power settings as seen below to about 60% power limit and -230 Core Clock and Memory Clock and so far it hast not CTD’d on me.
As you know the Gigabyte GTX 1650 GDDR6 OC Low Profile, is an Overclocked GPU from factory, I found out which is why OC in terms, and I guess being that this card is an OC version it is higher spec than the standard GTX 1650 GDDR6, so I had to throttle down the card somehow to get things stable.
I will give you guys/gals update should things run into issues again, but so far I finally got this fixed.
Thanks to everyone who tried to help me out. Appreciate it very much.
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@john1974 that’s great, fingers crossed! we all learned a bit of something along the way, with this card.
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@john1974 Just to say…does 65 °C and 60% Fan limits could be too low ? especially for an OC card
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@Coral36 said in Crash to Desktop Falcon BMS 4.37.3 Unplayable issue (LG 29WP60G-B Ultra Wide Monitor + Gigabyte GTX 1650 4GB GDDR6 Graphics Card ):
@john1974 Just to say…does 65 °C and 60% Fan limits could be too low ? especially for an OC card
I know, unfortunately for this SFF PC and this OC GTX 1650 GDDR6 card…I couldn’t get it to even 70%, BMS crashes. I have a feeling that my PSU has reached its limit which is why i’m now in the process of moving all parts of this PC into a bigger case to accomodate a bigger PSU (850W), and will have future GPU upgrades in the long run.
So far i’ve been able to tweak the card to the following settings and it runs stable at 60 FPS
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60 FPS so far is good enough for this SFF PC
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@john1974 That cpu is too weak for any further gpu upgrades my friend. Even the 1650 is probably bottlenecked a little, unless you are overclocking the cpu.
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@Icarus ?
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@airtex2019 Very bottlenecked used card. 1650 is about as high as I would buy. Would not buy new card like that. Waste of money. I speak from experience.
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@Icarus i7-4790 is the highest CPU for an LGA 1150, also being that it’s an SFF (Small Form Factor), it can only accomodate Low Profile GPU’s which in the case for NVIDIA cards, can only accomodate GTX 1030, 1050 TI, and the GTX 1630, GTX 1650 GDDR5 and GTX 1650 GDDR6…
My GPU on the otherhand which is a Gigabyte brand, came in pre-OC’d from factory, hence called the Gigabyte GTX 1650 GDDR6 OC Low Profile, and being that it’s a GDDR6 as well has a higher bandwidth than the GDDR5.
You have an RTX 2080TI and an i7-3930K (Ivy Bridge) older than the i7-4790 Haswell…clearly yours is bottlenecked.
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The only limiting factor on my SFF is that it only has a 240W PSU which is probably the main reason my GPU isn’t able to take more power…Hence which is why i’m now in the process of transferring all the PC parts to a bigger case and a powerful PSU (850W)…
Plan on going RTX 4070 TI in the near future. But for now this should suffice, as long as I get it to run Stable in MSI Afterburner at 60 FPS it is good.
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@john1974 Wasting your money on the 4070. It will run on your computer for sure, but it will be heavily bottlenecked by your cpu. You will get very little more out of it than what you already have and pay a lot of money. My cpu is actually slightly faster than yours and it is overclocked to 4.0 GHz. My 2080ti is heavily bottlenecked by my cpu as yours will be with the 4070. It is dreaming to think the only thing holding you back is your psu, which it is too low. I am telling you from experience, I would never buy a 2080ti with my cpu, it was loaned to me. 1650 is about as high as either of our cpus can push for any real fps gains. 4070 might give you 10-20% more fps than your 1650 because of your cpu.
https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-4790-vs-Intel-Core-i7-3930K/2293vs1487
https://pc-builds.com/bottleneck-calculator/result/0AH1fl/3k/control/
350 watt psu is required for a RTX 1650.
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@Icarus said in Crash to Desktop Falcon BMS 4.37.3 Unplayable issue (LG 29WP60G-B Ultra Wide Monitor + Gigabyte GTX 1650 4GB GDDR6 Graphics Card ):
@john1974 Wasting your money on the 4070. It will run on your computer for sure, but it will be heavily bottlenecked by your cpu. You will get very little more out of it than what you already have and pay a lot of money. My cpu is actually slightly faster than yours and it is overclocked to 4.0 GHz. My 2080ti is heavily bottlenecked by my cpu as yours will be with the 4070. It is dreaming to think the only thing holding you back is your psu, which it is too low. I am telling you from experience, I would never buy a 2080ti with my cpu, it was loaned to me. 1650 is about as high as either of our cpus can push for any real fps gains. 4070 might give you 10-20% more fps than your 1650 because of your cpu.
I undertand, I know the limits of the LGA 1150 that is why, for future plans…I’m going to upgrade my Mobo and CPU into an i9-14900K, which why I already bought a decent case and PSU to start off. Like I said for now it runs stable on this SFF PC so i’m good.
I’ve reached the max configuration of my SFF gaming PC.
HP EliteDesk 800 G1 SFF
32GB DDR4 RAM
i7-4790
Gigabyte GTX 1650 GDDR LP OC
2 TB NVME M.2 (Falcon setup)
250 GB SATA III SSD (Windows)
240W PSU (Limiting factor)The goal is accomplished for now for this PC.
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@john1974 Now your talking
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with my SFF PSU only limited to 240W, I think i’m close to the crashing point…
just calculating the TDP’s of the items i have as follows:
CPU i7-4790 TDP @ 84 W
GTX 1650 GDDR6 TDP at 75W (throttled down to 60%) so somewhere around 47W
Prechen 11.6 Monitor USB 3 connected (guessing at 5W TDP)SATA III at 4W TDP
NVME M.2 at 2W max(USB Connected)
CH Fighterstick
CH Throttle
CH Pedalsi’m guessing a 4W each
Subtracting them all…you’re looking at 11 W left on my PSU…bad…really bad
Not sure if i calculated it right but I really need a high WATT PSU…
That’s why I really need to upgrade to bigger case and an 850W PSU for future upgrade