LGB Bug in Campaigns??
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Hey All,
I am trying to figure something out I am having some issues in Campaign mode with the TGP and a LGB…
Now I believe it is a bug or something or maybe I am doing something wrong… but before we lay blame on the program or myself I want to say I followed this guide here on youtube and it works just like that in the TE Training…
But when I go in a Campaign so far I tried Korea and Israel, It is fine up until I slave the TGP to a Waypoint and after that nothing, I am unable to get back into Area Mode to be able to slew the target…
I believe once I slave the TGP to the Waypoint it messes something up either it is a bug or I am not knowing how to get it back to Area mode after I slaved to a WP??
I am wondering what I am doing wrong here… IT sees fine as long as I don’t slave the TGP to a designated WP…
I am able to reproduce this constantly and I am upto date with all my PC drivers and such… I am using BMS 4.32 with all 7 updates… this is basically about a month old install on Fresh windows and BMS…
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So to clarify, when you say you are slaving the TGP to a STPT, what exactly are you doing?
Im guessing this is just an SOI issue…
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Well like I said it works when I do the TE Training mission… it is when I goto a campaign when I have the trouble it is not a SOI Issue as the TGP is SOI…
just to be sure I was doing it rightI found the above linked youtube video I did exactly like he said…
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Okay, Im not too sure then. Sorry for doubting you
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Okay, Im not too sure then. Sorry for doubting you
OH NP I was trying to clarify I think I am doing it correctly as it does work in the TE Training mission as it should but I was thinking I should try it again and slave to a WP and see if I can get back to Area mode…
It is weird as I can not see why it does not work in a campaign but works in the Training TE??
Are you able to get into Area mode in a campaign that can be a good test… If you can can you give me the steps involved?? It could be useful to see if it does not work for you too…
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OK I just retried the training TE LGB training… here are the steps I did to get into Area Mode which worked fine:
1. Enter the pit
2. Click AG on ICP
3. Click SMS OSB13 Right MFD
4. Click TGP OSB 19 Right MFD.
5. Click OSB 1 STBY Right MFD.
6. Click OSB 6 right mfd this brings up the TGP Image…
7. Make ROSB SOI by Pressing on HOTAS DMS Down…
8. Goto Area ode by HOTAS TMS Right…After I do that I can click to WP and back to Area mode no problems… I tried messing it up and went into DogFight mode and back I was still able to slew TGP to WP and back to Area mode… I tried a few other combos to try and disrupt the procedure byt pressing random button presses, I did that to make sure I was able to get back into AREA mode which I was Np PRoblem…
I am now going to load a campaign and retry this procedure to try and track what is going wrong… but so far in the TE the LGB and TGP Works as it should…
I also wantto let yous all know I use a Cougar HOTAS weith Duncs Profile and Key file in BMS and Foxy… I have the CCP all setup proper and functioning as it should I believe…
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When you say ‘slaved to steerpoint’, do you mean the default conditions? I.e., you turn on or switch the MFD view to the TGP without Area Track and/or Point Tracking and you switch from Stpt to Stpt …. and sometimes the TGP ‘tracks’ or ‘jumps’ to the view the area of the selected stpt and sometimes it does not?
If so, the TGP isn’t actually ‘slaved to the steerpoint’ it is slaved to the FCR and when you change to another steerpoint the AG FCR cursor defaults to the selected steerpoint. If you slew the AG cursor, the TGP should ‘follow’ or ‘track’ your FCR cursor.
One possibility is the distance to the steerpoint (and weather conditions). If the stpt selected is too far away the TGP can’t ‘see’ anything. For example you have stpt 3 at 15 miles on your nose. AG cursor is in the ‘default’ location over the stpt. You bring the TGP up on your MFD, the TGP should be looking at stpt 3, 15 miles on your nose. Now you switch to stpt 4, which is, say, 30* left at 70 miles. Your TGP should ‘follow’ the FCR to that stpt, but you will only see a grey screen … stpt is too far away to resolve. Clouds, fog and other limitations to visibility will create similar issues on the TGP.
(This, of course, may be too basic and have nothing to do with the issue you’re having, just making sure we’re talking about the same thing(s)).
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well the problem is not slaving to the SP or WP or even if that is what it is doing but yes we are talking the same thing… … I am unable to get into Area Mode when in a Campaign…. Watch the video it will show you exactly what I do as in the steps and how it slaves to the SP…
Like I said it works in the TE but not in Campaign mode that is the problem I am having…
EDIT: slight update, I was able to get into Area mode on the ground and was able to keep it working until I got airborne and slaved to WP2 after that I was unable to get back into Area mode…
I will do some more testing but if you do test this in a campaign take off and slave to another WP and try and get back into Area mode?? I would think I am doing something wrong but in the Training TE It works even after I slave to another WP I am able to get back into Area mode so something is weird here…
I just tried it in the Training TE and slaved to SP6 and was able to get back into Area mode no problems?? something is happening when in campaigns…
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Ok. I did watch the vid and saw nothing unusual compared to what I normally see in flight.
I have used the TGP in campaign and have not (or do not recall) having a problem getting into area mode either before or after changing steerpoints.
Although I think you said the problem was inconsistent, can you video or list the steps that cause this problem to occur? I’ll try to do the same, expecting the problem not to occur, but we’ll see.
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OK I just retried the training TE LGB training… here are the steps I did to get into Area Mode which worked fine:
1. Enter the pit
2. Click AG on ICP
3. Click SMS OSB13 Right MFD
4. Click TGP OSB 19 Right MFD.
5. Click OSB 1 STBY Right MFD.
6. Click OSB 6 right mfd this brings up the TGP Image…
7. Make ROSB SOI by Pressing on HOTAS DMS Down…
8. Goto Area ode by HOTAS TMS Right…After I do that I can click to WP and back to Area mode no problems… I tried messing it up and went into DogFight mode and back I was still able to slew TGP to WP and back to Area mode… I tried a few other combos to try and disrupt the procedure byt pressing random button presses, I did that to make sure I was able to get back into AREA mode which I was Np PRoblem…
I am now going to load a campaign and retry this procedure to try and track what is going wrong… but so far in the TE the LGB and TGP Works as it should…
I also wantto let yous all know I use a Cougar HOTAS weith Duncs Profile and Key file in BMS and Foxy… I have the CCP all setup proper and functioning as it should I believe…
maybe a typo but you go into area mode by using TMS UP, not right.
striking a steerpoint (as example) procedure:
switch to steerpoint you wish to annihilate
switch A-G master
select GBU / ## in SMS
load TGP right MFD
switch out of STBY with top left button
choose A-G on the right side
verify TGP tracking steerpoint (should be pretty obvious if you know what you’re hitting)
switch SOI right MFD
TMS UP (mode should be IR AREA L (solid))
fly into fall line
CCRP release
watch countdown
verify TGP on target (it may drift a small amount)
check IR AREA L (flashing L)
wait for imminent kaboom
sorry if it’s a little rough description. is your procedure different? if yes, please describe how.
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OK I believe I found out what is wrong. it appears you can not select area mode until you are under around 30miles… I just tried in the TE AG Training and was able to get it working when I took off and had WP 1 selected… I then put the WP to 6 I think it was which was about 100miles away I was NOT able to go into Area mode I then had a thought maybe I have to be a certain distance from the WP so I proceeded to get closer and at around 30miles it went into area mode No Problems…
I am unsure why I have to be a specific distance from a selected WP but perhaps that is how it is IRL?? I am unsure but maybe someone can clarify now I know what was wrong…
It is NOT a Bug but can someone clarify that you are ingame or irl NOT able to go into area mode until a predefined distance to selected WP??
EDIT: Cik I just tried it both TMS up and right put it in area mode thnx tho ;)…
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@Cik:
maybe a typo but you go into area mode by using TMS UP, not right.
striking a steerpoint (as example) procedure:
switch to steerpoint you wish to annihilate
switch A-G master
select GBU / ## in SMS
load TGP right MFD
switch out of STBY with top left button
choose A-G on the right side
verify TGP tracking steerpoint (should be pretty obvious if you know what you’re hitting)
switch SOI right MFD
TMS UP (mode should be IR AREA L (solid))
fly into fall line
CCRP release
watch countdown
verify TGP on target (it may drift a small amount)
check IR AREA L (flashing L)
wait for imminent kaboom
sorry if it’s a little rough description. is your procedure different? if yes, please describe how.
Actually, if you TMS up and hold, it should go to AREA mode, and when you release TMS up, it should go to POINT mode.
If you want AREA mode to stick, you need to press TMS right.
However, in BMS if there isnt a target in the area, it wont go to POINT track, so it reverts back to AREA anyway.
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OK I believe I found out what is wrong. it appears you can not select area mode until you are under around 30miles… I just tried in the TE AG Training and was able to get it working when I took off and had WP 1 selected… I then put the WP to 6 I think it was which was about 100miles away I was NOT able to go into Area mode I then had a thought maybe I have to be a certain distance from the WP so I proceeded to get closer and at around 30miles it went into area mode No Problems…
I am unsure why I have to be a specific distance from a selected WP but perhaps that is how it is IRL?? I am unsure but maybe someone can clarify now I know what was wrong…
It is NOT a Bug but can someone clarify that you are ingame or irl NOT able to go into area mode until a predefined distance to selected WP??
EDIT: Cik I just tried it both TMS up and right put it in area mode thnx tho ;)…
perhaps. i can’t confirm whether that happens or not because i’ve probably always been within 30 miles considering you need to be that close to actually drop the bomb.
or at least, if i was at some point i probably chocked it up to something else being broke.
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Well, I think this gets back to the distance question I mentioned before (although not exactly what I was thinking/suggesting). I will suggest it has to do with bubbles/deaggregation. I don’t know abour RL operation, but it does make some sense that if the TGP can’t resolve an image (i.e. too far away to see) that being in area track is kind of useless. Also I think you can start to resolve some objects (in game) at ~35 nm, maybe a very little bit further.