If You Could Build A New Computer Just for Falcon BMS Right Now…
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I LOVE THIS KEYBOARD!! I’ve been using mine for 7 years now… had to replace the mouse (G700S now) but the keyboard rocks! Stubbies, BITE YOUR TONGUE AND WASH OUT YOUR MOUTH WITH SOAP!!! Your statement offends me!! Pistols at dawn!!
Only if I can reverse it and wash my mouth out with soap THEN bite my tongue.
Big costs. The only thing that can really, REALLY beat a good aircooler is a custom watercooling setup with at least 2x 240mm rads. At that point, budget and bang-for-buck goes out the window… it’s like saying SLI setups beat single-GPU setups… sure, but at what cost? And what performance gain did you get for how much more $$$?
Yeah guilty as charged as far as SLI goes. SLI is a serious mixed bag since it requires much love from the game and drivers for good implementation. My only self defense was there was nothing better at the time to upgrade to and it didn’t break my bank. Even being an SLI runner I wouldn’t try to defend it, or Titan video cards, on a price per dollar comparison as both are losing arguments.
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Why buy a 6600K and put it in a Z270 board?
He wants to run Windows 7 and you cannot patch up Windows 7 with a Kaby Lake processor.
That GPU is tiny…. I would bet it runs hot… or loud… or both. Get a “proper-sized” 1080 if you wish.
I did notice that too in the naming but I didn’t get into the why of it. I also didn’t do any research to see if Tom’s Hardware or some of the other youtube sites I visit for hardware had anything to say about that specific card. If there isn’t a specific reason to want or need to have a small 1080 then probably best to get a normal one as technology being equal size does indeed matter for cooling.
2560x1440 monitor - excellent for a single-screen solution, but your GPU might struggle once you triple-screen this setup.
I have a buddy who runs triple screen from a GTX 1080 FE at 5760x1080 so I know for a fact that works great. Not sure how much of a hit would come from driving those extra pixels. Best for the OP to do some research before considering that to make sure it still works good.
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Alright guys, thanks for all the help!
I have a premium account with newegg and a prime account with Amazon so I modified the list slightly to be able to purchase from just those two sources. I did indeed go with a i5-6600k and Windows 7.
I’ll post the details shortly. It all came out to about $2100.
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Only if I can reverse it and wash my mouth out with soap THEN bite my tongue.
No, no, no. It has to be done in that order for maximum effect! Have you chosen your pistol and your second?
Yeah guilty as charged as far as SLI goes. SLI is a serious mixed bag since it requires much love from the game and drivers for good implementation. My only self defense was there was nothing better at the time to upgrade to and it didn’t break my bank. Even being an SLI runner I wouldn’t try to defend it, or Titan video cards, on a price per dollar comparison as both are losing arguments.
And here we have the caveat – if money wasn’t an issue, go and do whatever you please! At least you’re honest enough to admit to the downsides of your choice! I wish others were as honest…
He wants to run Windows 7 and you cannot patch up Windows 7 with a Kaby Lake processor.
So why Z270? Why not a Z170?
I have a buddy who runs triple screen from a GTX 1080 FE at 5760x1080 so I know for a fact that works great. Not sure how much of a hit would come from driving those extra pixels. Best for the OP to do some research before considering that to make sure it still works good.
My tests had Falcon running at around 40-50fps on my stress test TE… that’s a 980Ti at 5896x1080 so it is capable. While I’m sure that a 1080 or 1080Ti can drive a 7680x1440 setup, I don’t know if the framerates will be acceptable or similar. The only real way to know is to test… maybe it’ll work? Beefier GPU power driving more pixels…
I did indeed go with a i5-6600k and Windows 7.
I’ll post the details shortly. It all came out to about $2100.
Congrats on pulling the trigger!! Sometimes, that last part is the hardest!
Still curious as to why Win7? -
I went with Windows 7 since the TM Cougar HOTAS is supported better on it. The goal is to build it, install the software, and run it from first time on with no issues. I ended up going cheap on the mouse, speakers, and keyboard and got a better monitor. That way I can at least enjoy it until I figure out what I want to do with triple screen or VR. Total was $2126.80 tax and shipping (3 business days or less). I still have $40 of rebates to send in.
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So for everyone’s convenience, this is what I went with only I didn’t pay quite as much for the Windows 7 software and I bought some bargain bin keyboard, mouse, and speakers from Amazon.
Let me know if this link works for public usage:
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No, no, no. It has to be done in that order for maximum effect! Have you chosen your pistol and your second?
Well if I am forced to name em then I will go with my Kimber .45 ACP primary and my Glock .40 S&W backup. Good enough?
And here we have the caveat – if money wasn’t an issue, go and do whatever you please! At least you’re honest enough to admit to the downsides of your choice! I wish others were as honest…
Indeed. If money isn’t an issue then you can just pick the best that happens to be most expensive as well and everyone is happy. However most people don’t have that kind of coin to drop on a rig so you get the expectation and the budget and make things fit the best you can.
So why Z270? Why not a Z170?
I’d hafta wonder about if there was a price differential between the two chipsets. If they are in the neighborhood to each other it just opens the door for him to go Kaby Lake later if he so desires.
My tests had Falcon running at around 40-50fps on my stress test TE… that’s a 980Ti at 5896x1080 so it is capable. While I’m sure that a 1080 or 1080Ti can drive a 7680x1440 setup, I don’t know if the framerates will be acceptable or similar. The only real way to know is to test… maybe it’ll work? Beefier GPU power driving more pixels…
I cannot say for certain as I don’t know anyone with that setup. The 1080Ti will definitely have an easier time of it than a 1080. Heck the Ti is more powerful in games than my SLI Titan setup.
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So for everyone’s convenience, this is what I went with only I didn’t pay quite as much for the Windows 7 software and I bought some bargain bin keyboard, mouse, and speakers from Amazon.
Let me know if this link works for public usage:
Link works.
+1 to the SSD, RAM, GPU and monitor changes.
Why two optical drives?
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That looks a lot better.
Be aware GPU prices have been push high be Currency Miners the last month or so.
Apparently the bottom has dropped out of the price, so there may well be a flood of the second hand GPU for sale soon.
New card price will fall back to sensible levels also
My AMD MSI480 I paid $370au a few months ago, was selling last week for Just under $600 is now @ $499.monitor the price there for a few days.
PS: I see the order is in !
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I was going to tell u the same about the keyb and mouse.
The wireless card also i would ditch it.
Nice u changed the vga from zotac.
Also the Blue ray recorder i would ditch.
So ditching those either save the money or kill’em on a more amps per line PSU.In general about radiators cases ambient room temp etc… my psu is outside my case, my radiators and water pump r outside my case.
Its there to stay and for a purpose. Except the hdds affecting temp in the area of GPU cpu chipset the rest are on full ambient room temp xposure.
Happy camper like that for 5+years now… it could be much more…
My water block is from 775 era. On stock intel air on 4.5Ghz temps where crazy going up to 80.
Now on a crazy hot day it goes at 55.
Maybe on a new good air solution things would be better, but since it works its fine. And i totally dislike those monster huge (i’ll break your mobo) coolers.
I had a semifat once and had to remove it first whenever i wanted to do or change things in there. So nope stock cooler and lower speed for me than those monsters.
At the bottom line doing a quick search u can built a way more effective wc solution by pumps from fish tanks and all bought separetly. The money u save u can buy a suberb water block for the cpu or an extension for the vga.
And i laugh hard with the solutions with radiators in the case on the top area. As and with psu’s on the bottom area.sent from my mi5 using Tapatalk
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Link works.
+1 to the SSD, RAM, GPU and monitor changes.
Why two optical drives?
Oh I forgot to delete that Pioneer. If you look on the actual order invoices you’ll see I just went with the basic optical drive. Try the link again: https://pcpartpicker.com/user/xcraftllc/saved/MrbqsY
I was going to tell u the same about the keyb and mouse.
The wireless card also i would ditch it.
Nice u changed the vga from zotac.
Also the Blue ray recorder i would ditch.
So ditching those either save the money or kill’em on a more amps per line PSU.In general about radiators cases ambient room temp etc… my psu is outside my case, my radiators and water pump r outside my case.
Its there to stay and for a purpose. Except the hdds affecting temp in the area of GPU cpu chipset the rest are on full ambient room temp xposure.
Happy camper like that for 5+years now… it could be much more…
My water block is from 775 era. On stock intel air on 4.5Ghz temps where crazy going up to 80.
Now on a crazy hot day it goes at 55.
Maybe on a new good air solution things would be better, but since it works its fine. And i totally dislike those monster huge (i’ll break your mobo) coolers.
I had a semifat once and had to remove it first whenever i wanted to do or change things in there. So nope stock cooler and lower speed for me than those monsters.
At the bottom line doing a quick search u can built a way more effective wc solution by pumps from fish tanks and all bought separetly. The money u save u can buy a suberb water block for the cpu or an extension for the vga.
And i laugh hard with the solutions with radiators in the case on the top area. As and with psu’s on the bottom area.sent from my mi5 using Tapatalk
Do you think that will be necessary on my setup? I’m not planning on OCing or anything for now.
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I went with Windows 7 since the TM Cougar HOTAS is supported better on it.
Fair enough!
Do you think that will be necessary on my setup? I’m not planning on OCing or anything for now.
What will “be necessary”??
I’d hafta wonder about if there was a price differential between the two chipsets. If they are in the neighborhood to each other it just opens the door for him to go Kaby Lake later if he so desires.
Well, over here, they’re around the same price range… I did think about future upgrade issues but unless he wants to upgrade within the next 2 years, I reckon the CPU development will have a new chip and socket config after that rendering the “upgrade to Kaby” useless.
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Do you think putting the power supply on the outside would do anything if all I was doing was running that setup on the stock clock speed?
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you don’t need to do anything special, as long as you have extraction fans at the rear/top and maybe some intake fans, that will be more then enough.
I have OC every CPU I have owned since the 80s and keeping air flowing through the case is the basis of good cooling.
And if your not OCing its a no brainer.
Also PSU adds to the air extraction. Keep it where it is meant to go.
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Well, over here, they’re around the same price range… I did think about future upgrade issues but unless he wants to upgrade within the next 2 years, I reckon the CPU development will have a new chip and socket config after that rendering the “upgrade to Kaby” useless.
So even if the Kaby Lake upgrade doesn’t happen if the 170 and 270 chipset boards are the same price then I just flip the question and say why not Z270?
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Do you think putting the power supply on the outside would do anything if all I was doing was running that setup on the stock clock speed?
No need. You can mount your PSU “upside down” so that it takes air from UNDER the case and blows it out the back… so it’s totally separate airflow from the rest of your case.
So even if the Kaby Lake upgrade doesn’t happen if the 170 and 270 chipset boards are the same price then I just flip the question and say why not Z270?
That’s what I’m asking… is there something on the Z270 that isn’t on the Z170?
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That’s what I’m asking… is there something on the Z270 that isn’t on the Z170?
A few things. One maybe good if someone gets into it and another that ALL users like.
The more user specific add on is support for Intel Optane. Some users might like that and get excited some might not care at all.
The one everyone will like is the support for 24 additional PCI-E lanes on the Z270 versus 20 additional PCI-E lanes on Z170. Those are beyond the 16 PCI-E lanes of the CPU itself. This is helpful for more bandwidth to attach m.2/u.2 drives or PCI-E devices. Always a good thing.
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Well, Optane is only useful if you’re on HDDs; plug in an SSD and Optane doesn’t do anything for additional speed. As for PCI-E lanes, a GPU on 16x and the same GPU on 8x functions exactly the same… How many lanes does M.2 take up per slot? 4? So a single GPU setup plus maybe 2x M.2 drives won’t saturate 20 lanes, would it?
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Dammit I just realized I accidentally bought a protection plan on the Samsung SSD. That’s $25 I’ll never get back…
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What’s it for?