A/A refueling with two tankers.
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Hi,
Is it possible to refuel on two tankers flying in formation at the same time?
We tried it with two flights and two tankers.
Two F16 and one tanker were in the same package.
The second tanker has not responded so we were forced to refuel on the first tanker.
Did we have done something wrong or isn’t it possible?Regards
MadDoc
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it’s finicky but possible, but as soon as you request one tanker they will break formation.
the trick is setting your A/A tacan channel to the right tanker, so the order is 29Y 63Y 62Y etc etc for tanker tacan’s once you’ve done that the tanker that you’ve set the tacan freq for should respond.
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Suggest you keep tankers separate by ~20 miles. Also, keep your flights together …. i.e. ‘Fury’ all tank together and ‘Cowboy’ all tank together, etc.
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Many thanks for the aids!
I’ll test a few things today.
But I wonder about the TACAN channels (29Y, 63Y, 62Y)
29Y is understandable. but 63Y?
What really mean the developer of bms?
Somewhere in the code should be the parameters which are that need to be adhered to when building a mission. -
Please look at the manuals. Most answers are there
From the TO-BMS1F-16CM-34-1-1.pdf in your \Falcon BMS 4.33\Docs\Falcon BMS Manuals folder:
Refueling aircraft also works with fixed TACANs. The first tanker in the TE is assigned to channel 92Y. That’s the most
“logical” tanker channel to use because the reciprocal channel is easy to find: 92-63=29Y – the digits are simply
reversed. If there is more than one tanker in the TE, then the next one defaults to 126Y, then 125Y. So to tie on
them, pilots will have to set 63Y, 62Y, etc. You can always ask AWACS (if available) for the tanker channels, but bear
in mind that the operator in the AWACS will always give you the channel that you need to enter in your UFC in order
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Do I understand now correctly?
If AWACS says my tanker has TACAN 29Y has I have to adjust 92Y?EDIT: Bullsh***
the operator in the AWACS will always give you the channel that you need to enter in your UFC in order
to get a lock.Why we never got it? And in this case should be a parallel refueling be possible, right?
Regardless of the distance between the two tankers?RTFM helps always. But RAUTFM (read and understand the f*** manual) helps more
I have a lot to learn. Particularly understand english texts
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Hi,
Is it possible to refuel on two tankers flying in formation at the same time?
We tried it with two flights and two tankers.
Two F16 and one tanker were in the same package.
The second tanker has not responded so we were forced to refuel on the first tanker.
Did we have done something wrong or isn’t it possible?Regards
MadDoc
I don’t know why you would want to refuel off of two tankers in a single mission, unless your first refueling is pre-strike and your second refueling is post-strike. Tankers typically operate solo, one tanker in a designated orbit. I daresay that a KC-135R can refuel upwards of a dozen fighters with ease, even after traveling a fairly long distance from its launch base, a KC-10A even more so.
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I don’t know why you would want to refuel off of two tankers in a single mission, unless your first refueling is pre-strike and your second refueling is post-strike. Tankers typically operate solo, one tanker in a designated orbit. I daresay that a KC-135R can refuel upwards of a dozen fighters with ease, even after traveling a fairly long distance from its launch base, a KC-10A even more so.
The reason is the number of aircraft to be refueled. while one flight is refuelling, the other might have to wait too long for their turn.
One thing I do not understand yet:
Tanker 1 has TACAN 92Y
Tanker 2 126Y and tanker 3 125Y
What’s next? What is the logic of the channels (92-126-125)?I have just made a test with the following parameters:
A package with a tanker and a F16
Another also with a tanker and a F16
Distance of tankers: about 17NmAWACS announces only a tanker at (TACAN 29Y)
The second was to achieve with TACAN 63Y.
Both flights were refueled without problemssoon more tests
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If you call AWACS for tanker you will get ‘assigned’ the tanker you are closest too.
We often put up multiple tankers and assign flights in the package to a particular tanker. It works fine as long as everyone follows the same procedures …. everyone in the flight has to be within 10 miles of the tanker before lead does ‘Y1’. Only lead does ‘Y1’. Each member only pushes ‘Y3’ when they are done tanking. The last member to tank in a flight pushes ‘Y3’ while everyone in the flight is within 10 miles of the tanker.
Following flights don’t push ‘Y1’ until the last AC on the flight ahead has pushed ‘Y3’.