Stick Sensitivity
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Could you stop quoting and criticising everything i say like a frreaking ESSAY teacher?I was talking about resistance in respect to motion away from center.That means the curve we’ve been talking about has in the x axis the distance away from centre and in the y the resistance force(stick moves millimetres but that doesn’t matter). A curve of resistance in respect to the input force would of course be useless as they’re equal
My assumption for which i 'm not sure about but makes sense is that the force stick has the curve’s “belly” upward so the 1st derivative is exponentially decreasing ,in the fashion of the flcs curve.That must be due to the unconventional design of the stick,which has no springs but a different way to resist.
The equation would finally be in the form of “x^1/k” or “k(1-e^(-x))” which hopefully mavjp will confirm is the flcs curve.
I’m not entirely sure about this but the difference has to be explained somehow -
Could you stop quoting and criticising everything i say like a frreaking ESSAY teacher?I was talking about resistance in respect to motion away from center.That means the curve we’ve been talking about has in the x axis the distance away from centre and in the y the resistance force(stick moves millimetres but that doesn’t matter). A curve of resistance in respect to the input force would of course be useless as they’re equal
My assumption for which i 'm not sure about but makes sense is that the force stick has the curve’s “belly” upward so the 1st derivative is exponentially decreasing ,in the fashion of the flcs curve.That must be due to the unconventional design of the stick,which has no springs but a different way to resist.
The equation would finally be in the form of “x^1/k” or “k(1-e^(-x))” which hopefully mavjp will confirm is the flcs curve.
I’m not entirely sure about this but the difference has to be explained somehowThe flcs curve is indicated in FM article available on this website
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@ fritzstler: I get the impression, that you stick is not right (who knows). Do you have any chance to test a different stick?
Why i am asking this is, because one could fly this FM with a “banana” and still would be able to understand the FM in it reading the documentations provided.This is the most natural FM i have ever flown, whereas some other sims made me aswell “tweak” the “curves” as the FMs there were not really able to deal naturally with linear inputs.
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now you have me confused friz. for your supposed graph, y is the resistance the stick applies to you, and x is how far the stick moves? possibly you mean the input value that the stick reports to DI. if that is so, for the force stick we still have a linear graph, between 0 lbsf and 25 lbsf. for a motion stick we have a graph which is going to vary depending on the springs used, but should be roughly linear in terms of the resistance to the input. it should be perfectly linear in terms of displacement to the input.
the difference between the two graphs if we look at resistance is that the force sensing stick will have a lot more resistance. the “10%” sweet spot that you make 90% of your adjustments in is easy to use on a force sensing stick, because you can have a heavier hand to make it with. in contrast, to make it to the stops and use the 90% of the input range (which you only do maybe 10% of the time) you have to really pull on it.
by contrast, a motion stick has much less resistance, as it has to move. the only resistance is the force the springs apply, which increases as you move from center. this less resistance means you need a lighter hand on the stick to make the adjustments around that 10% range. additionally, the motion stick can have mechanical imperfections that give a “dead zone” in the middle where inputs are ignored. this cannot happen on a force sensor stick.
in terms of the two sticks having a different “curve”, you are flat out wrong, I am sorry. the FLCS curve is hardcoded into the game and applies whether you use a hand cranked potentiometer or an industry strain gauge. yes, you can program any stick to have a response curve - but for BMS, you should not. regardless of stick type.
the “difference” you are stuck on is hardware specific. installing a “curve” will not make your stick resist any better or worse.
I do not recommend trying to fly BMS with a banana, but if you have the opportunity, I recommend trying out a force sensing stick. the difference is right there - and no software curve will fix that difference.
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you are right,the force stick may indeed be linearly resisting but just very heavy to pull so you need a bigger magnitude of effort to use the 10% THOUGH you’ll still be able to reach the 100%! My motion joystick has gotten soft with time(4 thousand landings in fsx with it) ,this may be the reason i’m having trouble keeping in the 10% area where landing happens.
The stick curve in the documentation gives g commands to the flcs which confuses me more.Plus it’s almost linear which doesnt make sense according to what you have said about it in the past.But i think the cause has been finally determined.I lie satisfied -
well like I said - I myself have lots of trouble trying to use a regular stick - apparently I have a heavy hand for inputs. I now use a force sensing stick with the sensitivity turned all the way down…
I definitely recommend it - though as you pointed out, you do need to drop a fair bit of money to get hold of one.
still, if you find yourself down under in south WA sometime, give us a yell and you can try out this one - you wont wanna go back to a displacement joystick.
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Hey frizstyler. It’s been a long time and I don’t know if you still having problems.
If it helps:
Have you try DXtweak2? you can change the values of the joystick with this software and it’s very easy…Take a look how it helped me
https://www.benchmarksims.org/forum/showthread.php?18312-AV8R-roll-axis-bar
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Well this was a useful thread, thank you. Kudos to the developers. I noticed you guys left the pdbs in the files :). Anyway I too was having problems with sensitivities with the G940 but managed to adjust things a tad. The rest will be practice. I found this site the other day and still have the original Microprose disk, docs and maps. Never thought I would fly it again but kept the stuff because it was just too cool to throw away. Anyway, thanks again for bring me back to this 20 year old sim.
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@MisterDoodads - Welcome to the community!
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So, a necromancer, eh…?