[Solved, no bug] Weird TFR bug(?) in 4.33
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so whenever u perform a loft or roll&pull with TFR u get WARN sign and failures because of this bug,correct?
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Not a bug to get a TF warning if you fly outside TF parameters when TF is functioning, just normal simulation of reality.
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so, whenever u exceed the TFR limits for an attack or defence, u get all the warnings like TF fail,swim fail, nvp fail?
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so, whenever u exceed the TFR limits for an attack or defence, u get all the warnings like TF fail,swim fail, nvp fail?
Yes. Hence the importance of the Paddle Switch to inhibit autopilot operation and all the TFR Warnings.
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it still shows the WARN even if u have paddle switch depressed while overbanking/inverted.
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AP paddle just disconnects the TFR (or AP) from controlling the airplane surfaces. The TFR system continues to behave the same regardless if the autopilot is connected or not (it doesn’t know). Warnings normal to maneuvering are “non-latched” meaning they will go away when the condition stops and TFR can be resumed by letting go of the paddle.
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it still shows the WARN even if u have paddle switch depressed while overbanking/inverted.
There is a bug where the SWIM flyup cause by bad RALT data kicks in, when the TFR is out of limits. Known issue……
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thanks to all for the replies
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back again
say you want to loft an LGB while on TFR and after the release you want to have a 3-5 degs dive so as to work on the TGP.While u paddle switch the TFR comes back on but puts you in a 12 degs dive(and A/P off since u have a TF fail). Is this because of this bug? -
TF FAIL doesn’t necessarily turn it off; it provides a protection flyup. If you suspend TFR with AP paddle and then plan to release the AP paddle not being in TFR limits you should turn off the ADV Mode pushbutton while the AP paddle is held.
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what u say happens automatically as soon as u get a TF fail.AMS off and consequently A/P off. What i cant get to work is the Vol5 low alt attack with TFR pg 276-a final technique-. since i dont know the ‘known’ bugs im getting really bummed about tactical use of TFR
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The difference is “latched” vs. “unlatched” and I was experiencing a latched flyup when doing the training TE procedure which includes inducing failures. Terrain related fly ups should be the unlatched variety which don’t persist and simply AP paddle suspension and release should resume just fine.
What does “latched” and “unlatched” mean?
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It’s a description of behavior.
Latched is like an electric circuit breaker in a home. If a fault causes the circuit breaker to open the circuit then it remains open circuit even if the fault condition is no longer true. Reverting this “latched” event requires a separate positive action different than what caused latching to occur.
Non-latching is when the system changes state by some condition and will revert to the original state simply by removing the condition. An example is pressing a door buzzer. You press button, buzzer sound. To make buzzer silent simply stop pressing buzzer button
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It’s a description of behavior.
Latched is like an electric circuit breaker in a home. If a fault causes the circuit breaker to open the circuit then it remains open circuit even if the fault condition is no longer true. Reverting this “latched” event requires a separate positive action different than what caused latching to occur.
Non-latching is when the system changes state by some condition and will revert to the original state simply by removing the condition. An example is pressing a door buzzer. You press button, buzzer sound. To make buzzer silent simply stop pressing buzzer button
Can’t say thanks yet. There’re no door buzzers on Falcon How does your explanation relate to TFR limits? Am I supposed to pitch up, pitch down, bank, press paddle switch (in my case, pinky)? And when?
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If you get a latched TFR fault then you have to do something special to resume the normal state.
An example of latched TF fault is turning off the radar altimeter during TFR. An automatic flyup will begin and simply turning the radar altimeter back on will not return to TFR flight because the fault is latched. In this case a paddle release will initiate a SWIM check and discover radar altimeter is OK and resume TFR then.
A non-latched TF fault is for example if at 1000’ SCP setting suddenly clearance was 600’. Once the clearance was again high enough TFR flight would resume from fly up without the pilot having to do anything.
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If you get a latched TFR fault then you have to do something special to resume the normal state.
An example of latched TF fault is turning off the radar altimeter during TFR. An automatic flyup will begin and simply turning the radar altimeter back on will not return to TFR flight because the fault is latched. In this case a paddle release will initiate a SWIM check and discover radar altimeter is OK and resume TFR then.
A non-latched TF fault is for example if at 1000’ SCP setting suddenly clearance was 600’. Once the clearance was again high enough TFR flight would resume from fly up without the pilot having to do anything.
OK, thanks. Your explanation fits right in with what I finally found on page 134 of 34-1-1. Latched flyups are system malfunctions during TFR flight, corrected by pinky(paddle) presses or FLCS resets. Unlatched flyups are when TFR limits are exceeded, corrected when TFR limits are brought back to norm. Now your circuit breaker and door buzzer examples make sense to me.